Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)

http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

[way2cool01]

If you don't mind me asking, just how old are you? I think the naivety index normally wears off around 30...

[NavyCanDo]

With that many dead it makes you wonder how many shots were fired total. This person or persons was prepared to cause mayhem on a grand scale.

[petitfour]

The shooter in Pearl, MS, was thwarted by the assistant principal who had a weapon in his vehicle that was parked off campus. The asst. principal was in the national guard or some such and was licensed to carry the weapon. He had to park elsewhere, if I recall correctly, and he retrieved his gun despite the law about no weapons on campus. But I may be remembering this incorrectly. It’s been a long time.

[Wyatt's Torch]

I guess it depends on the definition of “terrorism”...

[utvolsfan13]

Let’s break your statement down:
1.) I’m not an advocate of gun-control
2.) I don’t think the solution to this problem is to allow students to take guns into classrooms.

You do understand that those are mutually exclusive thoughts, right?

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There are different extents to it. I think students shouldn’t be allowed to carry guns on campus. Does this put me in the same group as people who think no U.S. citizen should be allowed to carry a gun? Give me a break.

[devolve]

Killer is (allegedly) IDed as:

young “Asian” male

wearing a black leather jacket

(I make not comment on what MSNBC says “Asian” means)

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If you wanted to somehow push an instant ban or restrictions on legal ownership &/or carry of handguns or any firearms -

Think of a different version of a “Muslim suicide bomber”

What better and faster way to get Congress to instantly demand massive gun control and gun bans?

(D-NY) Rep. Carolyn McCarthy has alreday introduced new legistlation in the House to ban and control firearms

Hillary, Feinstein, Schumer, Kennedy, Boxer, Feingold, and others will be all over this in the Senate

Do not discount this as a “conspiracy theory” - It may be accurate - It may not be

It would achieve the agendas of Islamic terrorists, Sarah Brady, and the (gun owning & carrying!) gun control pimps in Congress!

- React now! Instantly contact others and oppose any gun control bills or regs and candidates

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FNC -

[at least 32 are (allegely) reported dead at 1:47pm ET] ???

MSNBC says “at least 22 are dead”

at least 28 are being treat

at least 4 are in critical condition

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The “suspect” is dead - MSNBC

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It is “unclear” if the killer was a student - CNN Headline News

Killer (allegedly) used two (2) 9mm handguns

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[oceanview]

he had 2 9mm handguns, he could easily conceal those in a knapsack and just walk across the campus after the first shooting, to setup the 2nd rampage. so the police couldn’t easily identify him.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

But this does fit the pattern of freelancers...those who decide that their life is miserable and decide to go out in a blaze of glory. They aren’t all muslim, but the numbers of those unaffiliated with other terror groups who want to go out in this type of glory are going up.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Sorry, I was thinking of the Pearl, MS, instead of the Paducah shooting.

The Texas courthouse shooting occurred in Tyler, TX in 2005, where a civilian with a handgun saved the life of a child from a shooter with a semi AK-47.

The law school shooting was in VA, but involved students tackling the shooter, not shooting him. My bad.

The point is, I just gave you two, off the top of my head, so your original implied assertion, that it has never happened, is false.

[Txsleuth]

I am just having a hard time digesting 32 DEATHS in this case.

Unbelieveable..

[Lurking in Kansas]

Fox News reporting that the shooter(s) used two 9mm handguns.

Hmmm... that all? Must have been carring a bunch of extra mags.

[bone52]

Ever since the Trolley Square shooting, the lone gunman fits the islamic profile.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t anyone carrying on the scene to stop this shooter like there was in Utah. Once the gunman in Utah was engaged, he never killed anyone else.

[Madame Dufarge]

Some nice examples here:

Armed citizens thwarting gunmen

In the school-related shooting in Edinboro, Penn., which left one teacher dead, a citizen who happened upon the scene held a shotgun on the offender while the young man was reloading his gun, preventing him from killing again. The police didn't arrive for another 10 minutes. Yet, the anti-gun crowd screams for more gun control. Thank God someone with a gun was present at Pearl and Edinboro. Imagine how less tragic Columbine could've been if only some responsible citizen with a gun had been there to stop it....

What is particularly confounding is the media's refusal to recognize the role guns play in thwarting crime. At the Appalachian School of Law in January 2002, a gunman killed three people before, as The Washington Post reported, "Three students pounced on the gunman and held him until help arrived." They failed to mention that these students "pounced" after holding a gun on the assailant, forcing the gunman to drop his....

Another account from the Associated Press seems to purposely omit the part about the guys subduing the gunman with their own guns: "Todd Ross, 30, of Johnson City, Tenn., was among the students who were outside when Odighizuwa (the gunman) left the building. Ross said the suspect was holding his hands in the air and dropped the gun at his prompting." The story didn't mention that the "prompting" was done with the business end of a gun

[retrokitten]

How did a shooter evade police for more than an hour?

Changed clothes and had weapons stashed in another location?

[Halls]

that is what I’m saying! Why wasn’t this man stopped before he killed 32 people? I just don’t understand and I think if I was a parent of a child there I’d demand some serious answer right away. This is horrific and beyond understandable!

[spunkets]

"Wrong. He was a reporter. He didn’t have a gun. "

I said maybe, so I can't be wrong. Thanks for the info about who he was.

[A. Pole]

any news of the “perp”?.........

Must be Amish, or perhaps Quaker.

[VRWCmember]

His roomie said this dirtbag killer had made threats, meaning these people knew the killer....

How does he know this? Has the dirtbag killer been identified yet? I haven't seen any identification of the dirtbag in any news reports yet.

[janetjanet998]

this guy shot 50 people...some likley more then once and he likley missed many times

100 rounds at least

WTF?

[XR7]

MSM reporters to police: "The inevitable question parents will be asking is 'How could this have been prevented...?"

The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.
-- George Washington

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.
--Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.
-- Richard Henry Lee

[A]rms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ... Horrid mischief would ensue were [the law-abiding] deprived the use of them.
-- Thomas Paine

It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family from criminals. If you rely on the government for protection, you are going to be at least disappointed and at worst injured or killed.
-- from A Message from the Sheriff on the back of a victims' rights pamphlet
by five-term San Miguel County Sheriff Bill Masters (L) of Telluride, Colorado

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
-- Thomas Jefferson, "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776,
quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764.