Posted on 04/15/2007 1:23:15 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
A GHOST from the cold war has returned to haunt the CIA. A book to be published this month by a veteran American spy is raising startling new questions about Yuri Nosenko, the Russian defector who played a key part in the inquiry into the assassination of President John F Kennedy.
Conspiracy theorists have long been obsessed with Nosenko’s supposed role as the KGB officer who handled the Moscow file of Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK’s assassin, who had lived for three years in the Soviet Union.
After Nosenko’s defection in 1964 — a few months after Kennedy was shot in Dallas — he assured the CIA that the KGB had never tried to recruit Oswald, who was regarded as “too unstable” to be of use.
It was a crucial moment in the cold war, an apparent intelligence breakthrough that may have prevented a nuclear conflict had America concluded that Moscow was behind the assassination. But what if Nosenko was a fraud?
That tantalising possibility is examined in Spy Wars: Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games, by Tennent H Bagley, the former CIA case officer who was initially in charge of Nosenko’s defection.
James Angleton, chief of the CIA’s counter-intelligence unit, went to his grave in 1987 suspecting that Nosenko was a double agent whose main task was to distract the agency from a KGB mole. “The book goes a long way toward rehabilitating [the idea] that Angleton was right in calling him a KGB plant,” said Ron Rosenbaum, a New York journalist who spoke to Bagley earlier this year.
Bagley, who now lives in Brussels, argues that the KGB’s aim was to steer the CIA away from realising that the Russians had recruited an American agent in Moscow in 1949 and perhaps two others later. The book raises the possibility that a KGB mole may have worked at the CIA during the cold war.
Nosenko is believed to be now living under an assumed name somewhere in America. He never gave evidence to the Warren Commission investigating the JFK assassination, but largely as a result of his assurances Washington never took seriously the idea that the KGB plotted to murder Kennedy.
If Nosenko was never who he claimed to be, it is not only Angleton’s reputation that may have to be revised. Bagley’s book seems certain to inflame America’s most formidable group of conspiracy theorists: those who are convinced that Oswald did not act alone.
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The first time I was there, the first thing that came to mind was "Cripes, I could have done this with a Ruger Blackhawk." Oswald may have been doing it *for* somebody unknown, but I will always believe he was truly the lone gunman.
This should be interesting.
From my nearly 60 year personal experience with bolt action rifles, under hunting pressures - with moving targets, [much less a POTUS in the scope], -- I do not believe Oswald could have made the shots he is alleged to have made.
-- Correlating the time elapsed with the Zapruder film, -- then including the time line forced by the Commissions 'magic bullet' theory, -- simply makes it ~highly~ improbable [almost impossible] that Oswald could have done it ~all~ in the time alloted.
I have no valid counter-theory [and neither does has anyone else, imo], on how it was actually accomplished, but in my opinion Oswald could NOT have been convicted [as a lone gunman] on the evidence put forward by the flawed Warren Commission Report.
The case will probably never be "closed".
The book I mentioned above covers it.
You can get the rough details here:
And for more on Blood, Money & Power author here:
On the first page, scroll about mid way down til you hit "LBJ conspiracy."
You say LBJ wanted JFK dead. Of what benefit was his death for the USSR?
Woman married to unfaithful man meets rich guy.
Unfaithful husband gets shot.
Widow marries rich guy.
“and you probably think robot planes took down the twin towers.”
No, I don’t.
Read the book. It has 80-90 pages of end notes and is sourced exhaustively. The authors took 15 years to research and write it.
It’s an infinitely more plausible scenario than the laughable “lone gunman” theory
*PAUSE*
It was between Oswald and the voices in his head.
Oswald shot JFK, and he did it as ordered by his KGB bosses. They killed Kennedy because he was an anti-communist leader in the Democrat party. The commies could not complete their takeover of the Democrat party without getting rid of JFK.
I believe Oswald did pull it off. And I am not a trained marksman and I have not visited the plaza. However, it was a (slowly) moving target and they were head shots. He may or may not have had help from someone. But I still think he got lucky with the shots.
No thanks, I'll stick with "Case Closed."
Got that right. I probably can make those shots with a pistol. I have made similar shots at longer ranges. I would like to set up some claybirds at 88 yards and see how many I can hit in eight seconds. My son and I shot a eight inch by six inch piece of styrofoam at about 75 yards away with his .22 Buckmark pistol. He hit twice within five shots and I hit once. We both were using a one handed hold standing up. We were just playing around.
No one can claim to know how to shoot if they can’t make those shots with a rifle. Especially one with a four power scope.
Yup. Like I said, regardless where one falls on the issue, it is an interesting book.
I’ll tell you exactly how it was done and then I expect you to do the same if you are to be believed.
The first bullet missed and hit a curb. The bullet fragments or concrete hit a man named James Tague who was standing near the underpass. That bullet or fragments were never found.
The second bullet traveled 2000 fps to hit the president 5 1/2inches [14 Centimeters]below the Mastoid Process[there’s a picture of the hole and the ruler], it hit no bones and exited out his neck[1772 to 1,779 feet per second] clipping his tie[photos of the tie]. It traveled 28 inches away[trajectory report]to hit Connelly near the right armpit[Doctor’s report] clipping his rib[Doctor’s report]and keyholed out his chest leaving a 2 inch by 1/2 inch wound [Doctor’s report]. At this point it had only hit one bone and is now flying sideways when it hit the wrist [3/4 inch wound] and buries itself in a shallow wound[very little soft tissue damage,[Doctor’s report] in the thigh leaving an amount of lead in the thigh. The amount of lead in the wrist and the bullet add up to the original weight of 161 grains which is the same amount of the bullets from the Western Ammunition Company. Connelly had a broken rib bone and wrist bone. {Doctor’s report]. Cloth from his clothing was found in his wrist. The Zapruder film shows Kennedy reacting at the exact time Connelly’s label is blown outward from his suit jacket.
The third bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the head toward the right side. The bullet broke into two pieces and one piece cracked the inside of the windshield near the mirror. The second fragment hit the chrome strip at the top of the windshield. There are photographs in evidence of the crack and the dent. The two pieces were found at the front of the limousine, one on the floorboard and the other on the seat. The Zapruder film shows Kennedy’s head moving approximately two to three inches forward at the moment of impact. The photographs of Kennedy’s head and skull show a small entrance hole and a large exit hole. Cratering of the hole at the back of the skull is typical of entrance holes.
Case closed.
Those are the facts. Now it’s your turn. Explain.
Everybody has different physiological characteristics. Long ago, I learned that just because I couldn't do it didn't mean it wasn't possible and conversely, just because I could do it didn't mean everyone else should be able to. That having been said, my longstanding practice in hunting with rifles is to make sure the rifle is sighted in with the type ammunition I will be hunting with but to prepare for the hunt the day before by shooting trap and sporting clays. I shoot with both eyes open and never have a problem acquiring a sight picture through a scope in snap shooting situations. I credit that not with the benchrest shooting but the trap and sporting clays.
-- Correlating the time elapsed with the Zapruder film, -- then including the time line forced by the Commissions 'magic bullet' theory, -- simply makes it ~highly~ improbable [almost impossible] that Oswald could have done it ~all~ in the time alloted.
Again, we all have different physiological characteristics. have you ever seen videos of cup stacking contests? I know it's an odd question but the dexterity of contestants is simply amazing. Imagine the speed with which such person might be able to cycle a rifle bolt. If on top of that they have a shooters eye, the rest could be history.
Where did you read that part about LBJ telling Warren that Castro did it?
BTW the most logical party behind it was Castro and/or Soviets. They could have used the mob or whatever to carry it out. The Bay of Pigs and the Missile standoff situations got the Cubans and Russians plenty ticked off. While others inside the country had axes to grind they were not of the same level as the Cubans and Russians.
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