[MACVSOG68]

Well written, but faulty logic. There is no conflict between the requirement to file a tax return and the 5th Amendment. Courts have recognized that the government has the power to require a return when income is earned. The courts also recognize that one cannot be compelled to disclose any information on the return that will admit to engaging in illegal activity. So, other than the amount of ill-gotten gains, one need not say where it came from, if that would be tantamount to self-incrimination.

The courts have not only ruled continually that there is no conflict between the responsibility to file a return and the self-incrimination prohibition of the 5th Amendment, but they have continually ruled that the argument presented by you here is nothing short of frivolous.

The 5th Amendment does not provide a defense to the requirement to file a return because the filing of a return is a civil, not a criminal issue.

[Flavious_Maximus]

The courts have also ruled that a mans labor is his own private property, therefor the government can not tax your labor. What it all comes down to is: What constitutes income?

[Jason_b]

The courts are not infallible. In the past, the USSC has found the income tax unconstitutional because it is not apportioned. A great deal of corruption has been invested in the establishement of this unapportioned tax. The courts have been corrupted no less than Congress. We are at the point now that though it is wrong, we do it their way---sort of like if the mafia wants a cut of your profits you give it to them or they'll hurt you. You can complain, you can object, but you pay to keep your knees from being broken. When the government itself is doing mafia like stuff it gets difficult because there is no higher power to save us other than ourselves and getting back to the declaration of independence if you know what I mean.

The progressively graduated individual income tax is Communist. It is one of the planks in the Communist Manifesto. We in this country are being told that Communist objectives is Capitalist, and vice versa. That is why the people accept the communist government schools systems, and income tax, they think it is capitalist. If they understood it is communist, things might be different.

However, I always tell people, before you worry about the IRS and the income tax, you are missing something vastly more important and that is the currency. I have told the fair tax people (who tell me to shut up) that before we have a fair tax, we must have a fair currency, as per Art. 1, Sec. 10, Clause 1, US Constitution. Money must be gold and silver coin and gold and silver coin must be money, exclusive of any other forms. Absolutely money cannot be monetized debt. There can be self liquidating bills of exchange, promissory notes, debt instruments traded, sure there can be debt, a modern economy needs debt to function, but the debt must ultimately terminate in precious metal coins. Currently, all money ultimately terminates in a debt contract somewhere.

Establish a FairCurrency which would be synonymous with the gold and silver coin of the Constituiton, then a FairTax which would be synonymous with being apportioned among the states and in accordance with the constitution. Abolish the income tax and the IRS as they are communist. Let reasonable and stable import duties and tarriffs pay the expenses of the federal government. This nation would be a happier place.

[ikka]

The 5th Amendment does not provide a defense to the requirement to file a return because the filing of a return is a civil, not a criminal issue.

The problem is that the IRS uses "civil" when it suits their purposes and "criminal" when it suits their purposes. If they can throw you in jail for not doing what they want you to, by any reasonable standard, that is "criminal" law.

[sopwith]

“the filing of a return is a civil, not a criminal issue.”
Tell that to the people sitting in jail for taxes.

[EternalVigilance]

I think you’re kidding yourself if you think that what you put in your tax form can’t and won’t be used against you criminally.

[calex59]

The courts have not only ruled continually that there is no conflict between the responsibility to file a return and the self-incrimination prohibition of the 5th Amendment, but they have continually ruled that the argument presented by you here is nothing short of frivolous.

He convered the courts and gave a good argument, one I agree with, why you can't trust anything the courts say. They have the power to rule however they want and they will rule for government most of the time, and everytime when money is involved. Saying the courts ruled against the 5th amendment argument means nothing, as I said, he covered that argument in the article.

Then we have to also state that the original constitution didn't allow for an income tax, there was a good reason for that, it is invasive and, as far as I am concerned, unconstitutional. We need to repeal the 16th and do away with the income tax. We don't need it to run the govenment, it is there simply to rip away as much money from the individual as possible and to keep them in thrall to the government. It goes against everything this country was founded for.

[Jacquerie]

If you are not a lawyer, you should be.

Scotus gave us such gems as no conflict with “equal protection” and the progressive income tax. Yes, I know the court ruled that as long as each person within each tax bracket was treated the same, it was constitutional.

Scotus also has no problem with our Gestapo, aka IRS seizing one’s assets without court order. Due Process?

Our tax system is an abomination and incompatible with a supposedly free people.