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Giuliani is a Liar (vanity)
Various | 3/29/07 | Pissant/various

Posted on 03/29/2007 7:21:40 AM PDT by pissant

Sean Hannity Interview, 2007:

HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns?

GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000...

HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York?

GIULIANI: Yes, and I used them. I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide, I think, by 65-70 percent. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City.

So if you're talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it's appropriate. You might have different laws other places, and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities making decisions. After all, we do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.

From a 2000 interview with Tim Russert:

Tim Russert: How about registration of ALL handguns?

Rudy Giuliani: Uh, you know I'm in favor of that. I've been on your show many times, talking about, uh, the program that the president (Clinton) talked about in his state of the union speech - I have been giving speeches about and talked about on your show for the last 10 to 15 years. Which is, I believe, is that we should treat the possession of a handgun the way we treat driving an automobile.

And therefore a person who wants to possess a handgun should pass a written test, should be able to pass a physical test in the actual use of the gun, and should have to demonstrate good moral character and a REASON to have the gun.

That those should be, essentially there should be a UNIFORM LAW PASSED BY CONGRESS that says that every state has to administer that, the way we say that we're not going to let you drive an automobile if you're too young, we're not going let you drive an automobile if you had a bad record, and uh, every state has a slightly different variation of that, but every state has a uniform law that guarantees our safety. I think the two things are good analogies, and I've been arguing for that since at least 1980.


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To: freedomfiter2
Hannity is cut from the same cloth as Giuliani . . . big-city, big-government "conservatives" who wouldn't understand the underlying principles of constitutional law in this country if they were bitten in the @ss by them.

I used to think the biggest flaw of living in a major city is that it trains you to hate people. Now I realize that the biggest flaw of living in a major city is that it turns people into freaking morons.

81 posted on 03/29/2007 8:02:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: pissant
He was the only Republican mayor to join a lawsuit by dozens of cities against the gun industry, and he complained that Southern states had lax gun laws that fed the illegal weapons trade in the Northeast. Source: New York Times.As mayor of New York City, Rudolph W. Giuliani became the favorite Republican of gun control advocates. He spoke in favor of a licensing system for gun owners that would require trigger locks and firearms training, and he lobbied Congress to outlaw most military-style assault weapons.

Source: New York Times

82 posted on 03/29/2007 8:03:29 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Alberta's Child

Hannity has always been an idiot. He's a lousy American.


83 posted on 03/29/2007 8:03:33 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: pissant
That those should be, essentially there should be a UNIFORM LAW PASSED BY CONGRESS that says that every state has to administer that, the way we say that we're not going to let you drive an automobile if you're too young...

Young kids? I wonder if maybe he'd support a law that kept the father of young kids from walking out on them for one of his Ho's. no that Rudy would do that. He loves his kids. Really.

Maybe people are misunderstanding Rudy, maybe he does not want to keep guns away from any kids but his own?

84 posted on 03/29/2007 8:04:43 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Hey mister, can you spare a carbon credit?)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
"You don't know me fool, you disown me cool ( bonus points if you know where that came from)"

Ice-T.

The judges would have also accepted the movie Colors.

"Tell me right now, if it's between Hillary! and Rudy, what are you going to do? Teach us a lesson?"

Vote my conscience. I will never vote against liberty or for the murder of unborn children. What are the RINOs going to do, teach me a lesson for not supporting them last time? We The republic survived 8 years of Clinton before. We can survive it again. Like I said - I will always vote my conscience.

Did we now? I'll remember that the next time I go to the observation deck of the World Trade Center.

"Oh, you already answered my question. What you'll get is Hillary! and an all dem congress, way to go, what principles!"

As opposed to Hillary Lite (though he looks better in a dress) and a compliant congress? No thank you.

You get points for being mildly amusing but even though W isn't perfect and is way far from a conservative but we did get two decent Supreme Court justices unless they go nuts like they all seem to do once they're on the bench (Souter anyone)?

"By watering the tree of liberty you mean to spill blood, are you signing up for the resistance or are you just a keyboard commando?"

If they come for my arms, you'll hear about it, unless it's drowned out by the noise of all others who won't give up theirs, either.

They're not getting mine either, luckily I have several that were purchased before the registration requirements kicked in (I live in Arnoldville).

Now, allow to undermine my own argument because Arnold is a good case for not voting in a RINO. He's gotten things through Grey Davis would never have gotten through and he's got an r after his name.

Let me put this simply, Hillary! is an extremely dangerous person and God help us if she becomes president.

85 posted on 03/29/2007 8:06:43 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Hildy
Pissant: IT WORKED. Sorry, but it worked. In a place like NYC, he had to be flexible and IT WORKED. Do you understand what I'm saying..IT WORKED.

This is one of the most idiotic excuses for Giuliani's totalitarian approach to government that I've ever seen. On one hand you have Hannity laying out the excuse for Giuliani (and Giuliani going right along with it) that Giuliani "inherited all these gun laws," while at the same time you have Giuliani claiming that 2,000 people were getting murdered in New York City every year before he took office.

Using this rationale, I think it is safe to say that the city's strict gun control laws were the one factor that HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the decline in New York City's murder rates.

86 posted on 03/29/2007 8:06:46 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: pissant

Archives of the Mayor's Press Office

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000

MAYOR GIULIANI AND SPEAKER VALLONE ANNOUNCE CITY LAWSUIT AGAINST GUN INDUSTRY

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and City Council Speaker Peter F. Vallone, joined by Corporation Counsel Michael Hess, today announced that the City of New York has filed a lawsuit against two dozen major gun manufacturers and distributors. The suit alleges a number of illegal practices conducted by the gun industry, including:

Deliberately manufacturing many more firearms than can be bought for legitimate purposes such as hunting and law enforcement, and knowingly targeting these excess guns to criminals, youths and other persons unqualified to buy firearms;

Deliberately undermining New York City's gun control laws by flooding markets with looser gun laws with firearms that the manufacturers know are destined to be illegally resold in New York City;

Ignoring the illegal practices of gun distributors, many of whom openly engage in the above practices;

Refusing to manufacture safer guns, with such features as trigger locks and "personalization" measures that allow only authorized persons to fire the weapon.

"This is an industry that is profiting from the suffering of innocent people," Mayor Giuliani said. "What's worse, its profits rest on a number of illegal and immoral practices. This lawsuit is meant to end the free pass that the gun industry has so long enjoyed."

Council Speaker Vallone said, "More than 30,000 people, including 4,200 children, die every year in the U.S. from firearms-more people than in any other country in the world. I join with the Mayor in this lawsuit to send a message to gun manufacturers that New York City will hold them accountable for their reckless and irresponsible practices."

The suit seeks an as yet unspecified amount of damages for the many ways in which these illegal practices and illegal guns harm New York City and its residents-including, for instance, the $17 million per year spent by the City Health and Hospitals Corporation treating gunshot wounds.

Defendants named in the suit include most major gun manufacturers, distributors and dealers currently operating the United States, or who export large numbers of guns to the United States.

Plaintiffs in the lawsuit are the City of New York, Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, City Council Speaker Peter F. Vallone, and the Health and Hospitals Corporation. The suit was filed in the United States District Court, Eastern District of New York.


87 posted on 03/29/2007 8:06:59 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well said.


88 posted on 03/29/2007 8:07:45 AM PDT by pissant (Gimme a beer, wench.)
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To: Calpernia
Defendants named in the suit include most major gun manufacturers, distributors and dealers currently operating the United States, or who export large numbers of guns to the United States.

It does not get more vile than that.

89 posted on 03/29/2007 8:09:10 AM PDT by pissant (Gimme a beer, wench.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

I agree with you. Hope he's reading this thread today. LOL.


90 posted on 03/29/2007 8:10:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

Sounded a bit like Sally Fields at the Oscars. LOL


91 posted on 03/29/2007 8:11:14 AM PDT by pissant (Gimme a beer, wench.)
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To: Hildy

"IT WORKED"

Oh, well.
Freedom is overrated, anyway.


92 posted on 03/29/2007 8:14:01 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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All this talk is driving me to drink.

And you know that I have a problem.

93 posted on 03/29/2007 8:15:04 AM PDT by SquirrelKing ("When a coin in the carbon pot rings, out of global warming hell a soul does spring." - Timothy Ball)
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To: Lx

"Did we now? I'll remember that the next time I go to the observation deck of the World Trade Center."

We lost some buildings and some people. The nation is still here.

"Let me put this simply, Hillary! is an extremely dangerous person and God help us if she becomes president."

I'm more worried about Rudy as President. The linguini spined GOP in Congress will at least make a show of fighting Hillary.


94 posted on 03/29/2007 8:15:19 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: pissant

He will never get what the 2A is about.


95 posted on 03/29/2007 8:15:45 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Being a successful mayor of a cesspool doesn't change the fact it is still a cesspool.)
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To: Pistolshot

No, he swears he will not interfere with the "rights of hunters".


96 posted on 03/29/2007 8:17:12 AM PDT by pissant (Gimme a beer, wench.)
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To: pissant
You're doing a great job, friend.

bump for Hunter/Thompson!

97 posted on 03/29/2007 8:18:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
"Did we now? I'll remember that the next time I go to the observation deck of the World Trade Center."

We lost some buildings and some people. The nation is still here.

Yeah, no big deal. What about next time?

"Let me put this simply, Hillary! is an extremely dangerous person and God help us if she becomes president."

I'm more worried about Rudy as President. The linguini spined GOP in Congress will at least make a show of fighting Hillary.

Now that's just silly. Rudy is going to be worse than Hillary!, really?

98 posted on 03/29/2007 8:18:20 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Alberta's Child
"I agree with you. Hope he's reading this thread today. LOL."

Me too.

In cased he misses it:

Sean Vanity, you're a Lousy American.

The Not So Great One!
99 posted on 03/29/2007 8:18:47 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: Lx

"Yeah, no big deal. What about next time?"

What about it?

"Now that's just silly. Rudy is going to be worse than Hillary!, really?"

No it isn't. You yourself made the Arnold argument. He got things passed Davis never could, because of his R. Rudy could do the same. If Hillary beat him, the GOP congress would play opposition politics.


100 posted on 03/29/2007 8:21:06 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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