Posted on 03/20/2007 1:12:29 PM PDT by Nachum
(IsraelNN.com) More than 7,000 French Jews have signed a petition asking for political asylum in the United States because of anti-Semitism in France. The petition makes pointed reference to the murder of Ilan Halimi, a 23-year-old Parisian Jew who was kidnapped and tortured to death last year by an anti-Semitic gang, and says that "following the barbarous murder of a young Jew because he was Jewish, in the context of the rise in anti-Semitic acts committed by Islamic fundamentalists, numerous members of the community no longer feel safe in France."
The petition was sent to the U.S. Congress and asks it to enact a law according French Jews refugee status.
Some French Jewish leaders were outraged: "This petition is bizarre, stupid and out of place," said Chaim Musicant, director of CRIF, the umbrella organization of secular French Jewish groups.
"It baffles me to no end to hear that something like over 80% of Jews vote for Dems"
These stats are for American Jews. French Jews vote 80-20 the other way....for the Right.
Thoughts about dual citizenship?
Not really.
It seems to me normal that people who have deep ties in two countries should be citizens of both countries if they choose to be.
The incidents you cited to don't excite me. The US didn't have to let the dual citizen go to Israel. It could have forced the individual to choose. Do we really want to do that. Mexicans in the US voting in Mexico seem likely to skew Mexico more towards the USA. Why's that a bad thing?
If one is born in the USA, one is an American citizen by the lex solis. If one is born of a French parent, one is generally French by the lex sanguinis. Why should one be forced to formally renounce one country or the other? Of course, dual citizens are subject to two different legal regimes, which can become quite arduous. Still, it is very difficult for me to see a really principled objection to dual citizenship, at least if the countries in question are allies. Obviously if the countries are enemies, there is a real question of divided loyalties. But Israel and the US, or France and the US, or France and Israel? These are common dual-citizenship combinations.
At least among allied nations at peace, I can't see any particular virtue in forcing people to renounce half of their heritage. It's sort of like a wife taking on her husband's last name. Many still do, and that's fine. Many keep their maiden name, and that's fine. Some hyphenate. And that's fine. I cannot see any virtue at all in having a law that IMPOSES one of those solutions.
The French Jews are most likely fed up with dealing with the Islamists, moving to Israel would not alleviate that problem.
Alright guys, calm down. MeanWestTexan, I explained to him the voting patterns of American Jews and how many segments of that population do, in fact, skew right.
Save the righteous anger and indignation for the commies and the Islamofascists and the real fascists. Anger is useful, but it should be cold, and it should be directed at our real enemies.
We're on the same side here. ;p
Fascinating. Thanks.
The cases of the Russian/Jews are somewhat similar but the crime was bilking the government and the Russian peoples of money that should have accrued to them when the government industries were privatized after the Soviet collapse. The two men I am thinking of were part of a small group of Russians known as the "oligarchs" and remain outside of the reach of the Russians. Doesn't seem fair to me.
For that matter it does not seem fair that leaves of absence should be permitted for men or women to serve in an armed force that isn't ours especially when it presents a problem for the employer.
But I have been wrong before and God willing,will be wrong again in my life.
Heh. Exactly.
Btw, I love the new tagline, Clem. Although, so far, it looks like I am backing Rudy. But it's still awesome.
Your last point is VERY valid. As are your questions about who is Jewish. Although, I do many secular Jews who self-identify as Jewish who vote Dhimmocrat.
The Muslims keep pushing and pushing. Though I do not advocate anything, I am left wondering if the other side will ever push back?
Poles have dual citizenship, as do Italians and Colombians. In the case of Italy, you can claim citizenship if one of your grandparents were born there. I keep telling my mom to take EU citizenship so that she can help me buy property over there.
Running away from muslims in France also would not alleviate that problem. The French Jews should not be rabbiting to the USA, they should go to Israel and be trained to fight back by the Israeli army if muslims attack Jews. Dodging the Israeli draft doesn't help Jews or the State of Israel - and does the U.S. want French draft dodgers coming here? Why give asylum to draft dodgers?
Bercause that's not what I think. I couldn't
care less that they are Jewish or not. But they *are* socialists...
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Like I said, why not just come out and say it.
You think all Jews are socialist trash.
Many countries permit dual citizenship. The US is one of the few countries that specifically prohibits its citizens from holding citizenship in a foreign country, voting in a foreign election, or serving in a foreign army.
The US doesn't recognize the foreign citizenship so, as far as the US is concerned, one is a citizen of only the USA. Of course, foreign countries (like France) are not obliged to follow the US interpretation of this. So, the US says that dual US/French citizens are not dual citizens, but Americans only. France says they are citizens of France too. The US can't really do anything about that, and doesn't. There are plenty of Americans who are dual citizens of the US and Israel, the US and France, the US and Canada, the US and Mexico. It's just that US law doesn't recognize the dual citizenship. Where things become tricky is if security clearances are involved, or someone in power wishes to "get" somebody. Then laws can be read hypercritically in order to bring the power of government to bear on an individual. If I recall correctly, Senator Lieberman is also a citizen of Israel, by Israeli reckoning, even if he's not by US reckoning.
"The voting patterns of Jews are not much different than Roman Catholics."
Well, actually, Catholics split about 50/50 down the partisan divide in their voting patterns. Jews split about 80/20, so they're not really like Catholics. Jews vote more like blacks - very consistently and lopsidedly Democrat.
You are correct about the idea of dual citizenship being recognized by other countries.
The US makes it illegal for an American citizen to seek citizenship in a foreign country, vote in a foreign election, or serve in a foreign military.
Not exactly.
If a US citizen takes on foreign citizenship without the intent of relinquishing US citizenship, US citizenship is not lost. The presumption is that the American citizen does not intend to relinquish US citizenship, and if the question arises, the individual is asked by a State Department official. If the individual states that he did not intend to relinquish US citizenship when he takes foreign citizenship, the State Department official certifies in writing that the individual did not so intend, and that's that.
It's not a crime to take foreign citizenship, nor to serve in a foreign military, nor to vote in a foreign election (unless one holds a position of trust with the US government, in which case it may be, but that is a separate case). What doing those things does, is creates the possibility of relinquishing US citizenship. However, the legal presumption is that one did not so intend.
Come on over, my poor friends, you're welcome over here.
If America will not allow them to come here...of course, Israel will welcome them here with open arms.
You are an ignoramous. Try reading the
posts you prejudiced boob.
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