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"UAW wants to help Toyota "continue to be a success"
Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal ^ | 3/18/07 | Dennis Seid

Posted on 03/19/2007 11:10:20 AM PDT by WileyPink

United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger says his union is still interested in helping to organize workers at Toyota's U.S. facilities, despite having been unsuccessful so far.

In fact, he said he wants to help the world's No. 2 automaker "continue to be a success."

Uh, oh! It's no wonder that Toyota isn't exactly jumping for joy at the prospects. They've done just fine without the UAW, and probably don't need the UAW to come to its "rescue."

Consider what has befallen General Motors, Ford and Chrysler the past few years. The UAW has certainly helped them continue to be successful, hasn't it?

And thanks to the union, GM has given its workers more than $73 billion in benefits over the past 10 years, according to a Newsweek article. Which in turn means has meant $1,200 of every car GM sells goes toward health care costs. In contrast, Toyota's health care costs are about $200 per car.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: toyota; uaw; union
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To: rhombus
Crappy cars and engines didn't help. My father-in-law is a great shade-tree mechanic. You should hear what has to say about the some of the older cars... (Dunno what he has to say 'bout modern ones, 'cept that a lot of 'em are using apparently Euroweenie engine designs...)
61 posted on 03/19/2007 1:12:14 PM PDT by Little Ray (Proud to be one of "...the most paranoid, xenophobic and reactionary characters...")
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To: Condor 63
"All the car companies have figured out a way to make cheap flimsy crap run for ten years mostly thanks to electronics - but IMO it is still crap."

Better bearings and bearing grease (though that doesn't hold true for either when bought from China).

Better engine oil; better transmission fluid.

Better spark plugs.

Vastly better engine control systems (e.g. air/fuel computers).

Better seals/gaskets and tolerances (fewer leaks).

Better welding (e.g. robotic welds). Better paint (e.g. robotic painting).

Better corrosion protection today than back then. Try finding a 1970 Fiat in Florida!

So wheel hubs, transmissions, engines, bodies, and paint will last longer now versus decades older cars.

Windshield "glass" might be better now, too. Not sure on that one.

62 posted on 03/19/2007 1:16:17 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: darkwing104
"UAW wants to help Toyota "continue to be a success"


63 posted on 03/19/2007 1:20:39 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (I have a big carbon footprint and I'm not afraid to use it.)
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To: rhombus

Now that is funny!


64 posted on 03/19/2007 1:21:24 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked)
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To: bfree

They wouldn't. Never said they would.


65 posted on 03/19/2007 1:24:35 PM PDT by Condor 63
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To: RC2
Then they will be paying $50,000 a year for a guy to put a front bumper on.

That's not only unfair, but dangerous. You need at least two, if not three people @ $50K/year, each, to do that work, "safely".

66 posted on 03/19/2007 1:27:41 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: popdonnelly

You didn't list a source and I'm not sure about "Most cars with American nameplates...", but for Toyota's; Ten (10) open or proposed U.S. Plants, Four (4) Canadian, and One (1) Mexican. Note: These listed are the North American Plants

http://www.toyoland.com/toyota/plants.html

And, if they're made in the U.S...doesn't that make them American cars and American jobs?


67 posted on 03/19/2007 1:28:12 PM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: Condor 63

"The only difference between Japanese cars and American cars is the Jap cars are sold for a cheaper price"

Really? So you tell me, what Japanese car is cheaper than the comparable American model? Is a Civic or Corolla cheaper than a Cobalt, Ion, Neon, or Focus? Is an Accord cheaper than a G6 or 300C? I could go on with examples, but my experience is the exact opposite, that in almost every case American cars are cheaper than comparable Japanese models. Especially if you consider the prices that are typically actually paid - Toyotas and Hondas rarely see for any significant disount from MSRP, while American cars are regularly available for many thousands under it.

I suspect you're just as wrong about Japanese quality being a myth. The Japanese haven't sold millions of cars and reached the position they have in this market just by accident. They started off with a terrible reputation for quality, but by the late 80s were well known for producing reliable, dependable cars with decent quality interiors, and were selling for a premium.


68 posted on 03/19/2007 1:32:44 PM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: WileyPink
UAW wants to help Toyota "continue to be a success"

Now I don't care who you are---that's funny!

69 posted on 03/19/2007 1:41:38 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: Condor 63

Very interesting stories. However, my personal experience is that some of the Japanese cars actually sell for more because they've managed to promote that "quality" reputation. Perhaps this has changed. Quite a few years back I purchased a GM Prizm which is a Toyota inside and out without the Toyota label (except on the motor). It sold for less than the Toyota Corolla because... well it was a GM (although it wasn't really). As I said, that was a few years back. Maybe now you can get the Honda's and Toyota's for cheaper than the comparable "American" brands. However, I recently purchased a Ford Sport Trac. I believe the Honda Ridgeliner (which wasn't to my tastes) is a bit more expensive.


70 posted on 03/19/2007 1:52:33 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: San Jacinto

lol...Dittos


71 posted on 03/19/2007 1:54:38 PM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: polymuser
Yes, I think we should require unionization of ALL foreign owned and operated companies in the U.S. S/Off

Fixed it.

72 posted on 03/19/2007 2:13:19 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: San Jacinto

This has to qualify for the funniest headline of the year!!!


73 posted on 03/19/2007 4:47:25 PM PDT by bfree (liberalism is the enemy of freedom!!!)
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To: -YYZ-; Condor 63

The local Ford dealer here has 2007 Focuses with manual transmissions and A/C for $8,988.

The local Honda dealer here has 2007 Civics with the same equipment for $15,000.

The Civic is a nicer car, and if you're looking at a manual, you don't have to worry about the automatic transmission failing like has happened on so many Hondas recently (second gear clutch in Civics).

But is it $6000 nicer???????

I mean, the Focus is very reliable and comes with a 5 yr/100k powertrain warranty.

Really, $6000?!?!?!?!


74 posted on 03/20/2007 6:46:35 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: Madeleine Ward
I hate to tell you this, but that sounds like unlawful anti-union discrimination. See Section 8(a)(3) of the National Labor Relations Act.

(And, no I'm not a union mole. I actually represent management in labor disputes).

75 posted on 03/20/2007 3:14:33 PM PDT by bourbon (Islam hates the West, and the West hates itself. How will we survive?)
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To: bourbon

Regardless, Mississippi is an "At Will" state and a "Right to Work" state. I know, I was fired from a job because I didn't "ask permission" to get married! The State of Mississippi has the right to fire you for, "...any reason, good reason, bad reason, or no reason." The unions have caused nothing but trouble and the NLRA protects no one except the unions.


76 posted on 03/20/2007 5:53:29 PM PDT by WileyPink ("...I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6a)
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To: USS Alaska

Heh heh heh ;-}


77 posted on 03/22/2007 6:50:45 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: WileyPink
Sure, MS is an 'at-will' state, but you're talking about state employment law, which is preempted if it conflicts with federal law like the NLRA.

A MS employer who discriminated against a union-sympathizing employee in hiring would be laughed out of federal court (or the NLRB) if that employer raised the 'defense' of 'at-will' employment under state law. This would be akin to an employer raising the 'defense' of at-will employment in a federal Title VII discrimination suit (e.g., "MS law gives me [the employer] the right to fire my employees for any reason or no reason at all, so I can fire them on the basis of their race!"). I'm sure you know that argument is a non-starter.

Also, the NLRA doesn't just protect unions. It protects employees in the exercise of the rights to form, join or resist unions as well as the right to engage in certain concerted protected activities. So an employer can easily violate the NLRA even though no union is present in his/her workplace.

http://www.nlrb.gov/Workplace_Rights/i_am_new_to_this_website/what_are_my_rights.aspx

Now, I'll agree with you if you say that the NLRA gives unions too much protection. But it is incorrect to say that the NLRA only protects unions.

78 posted on 03/24/2007 9:30:54 AM PDT by bourbon (Islam hates the West, and the West hates itself. How will we survive?)
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To: WileyPink

BTW, what kind of jerk employer fires its employees for not "asking permission" to get married?


79 posted on 03/24/2007 9:32:04 AM PDT by bourbon (Islam hates the West, and the West hates itself. How will we survive?)
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To: WileyPink

Yuh, right, since the UAW has made American automakers SO successful over the last 50 years!


80 posted on 03/24/2007 9:55:45 AM PDT by SuziQ
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