Giuliani up 25 points over McCain: poll (GOP "Unaware" of Rudy's Stance on Guns, Gays, Abortion)

Yahoo ^ | 3/3/07

[Mr. Brightside]

Giuliani up 25 points over McCain: poll

41 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential hopeful Rudolph Giuliani, virtually tied with John McCain (news, bio, voting record) in a January poll, held a 25-point lead over the Arizona senator in a Newsweek magazine survey released on Saturday.

Among registered Republicans, 59 percent said they backed the former New York City mayor and 34 percent said they favored McCain, who announced on Wednesday he would seek the presidency in 2008, Newsweek said.

"Most registered Republicans are not familiar with Giuliani's positions on key social issues," the magazine said, listing his support for abortion rights and gun control as examples.

"When asked about whether Giuliani's views on these same issues would be enough to prevent them from supporting him, few registered Republican voters said it would," it said.

Giuliani was in a statistical dead heat with McCain in a January 24-25 poll, with 48 percent compared to McCain's 44 percent, the magazine said.

Meanwhile, a Newsweek poll of registered Democrats showed Democratic Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) chipping away at front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's lead in the past month.

Clinton enjoyed the support of 52 percent of registered Democrats in the latest poll to Obama's 38 percent. That compared with 55 percent for Clinton and 35 percent for the Illinois senator in late January, Newsweek said.

In a potential general election matchup, Giuliani was virtually tied with Clinton and former Democratic Sen. John Edwards and five points ahead of Obama in a poll of all registered voters.

Newsweek surveyed 1,202 adults on Wednesday and Thursday. The poll included 283 registered Republicans, 342 registered Democrats and 349 independents and had a margin of error of three percentage points.

[Beagle8U]

"Until the Supreme Court says that the 2nd amendment also applies to state and local governments, and is not just a restriction on the federal government, then it doesn't apply to actions by the NYC authorities."

You Sir are confused. The USSC has never ruled that the RKBA didn't cover every city, state, and square inch of the USA.

Some liberal craphole cities have gotten away with restricting peoples rights because nobody has challenged it all the way to the USSC.

That will happen when we elect a real conservative POTUS in 2008 that will replace some liberal turds on the bench that will give up and retire!

[MACVSOG68]

Still, he doesn't seem to want to ban all guns from the face of the earth, so at least he's a little better than, say, a completely whacked-out far-left liberal.

As most of America, notwithstanding Los Angeles has no where near the crime problems New York had, so I would guess he would not take much if any initiative in this area as president. I also believe that if you were to question all of the other GOP candidates, you will find various concepts of reasonable limitations among them.

[MACVSOG68]

Nice spin. "Grenade launchers" are already controlled. He want to get his hands on whatever it is you're keeping in your nightstand to protect against burglars who can't get guns because the freaking Democrats and Rudolph Giuliani passed a law.

Yes, grenade launchers are controlled, though most of the RKBA crowd believes they should not be in any way. But, I don't see Rudy wanting my handguns, or my rifle; at least that's what he says. As for the other candidates on the GOP side, I would guess they all support "reasonable limitations". Also, I would guess the assault weapons ban will be passed and signed long before a President Rudy takes office.

[Coldwater Creek]

Dead ringer for Anna Nicole!

[flashbunny]

"But, I don't see Rudy wanting my handguns, or my rifle; at least that's what he says."

Then you may have a problem with reading comprehension.

[Dog Gone]

Well, it matters, but I'm not certain it's worth sitting in a puddle of gasoline and smoking about.

There's something about judges. They just won't tell you how they'll rule 15 years from now on any issue. Somehow they have the notion that they're an equal branch of government. WHICH THEY ARE.

It drives me nuts. It drives everyone here nuts. What are you going to do about it? Can we find a President who will guarantee us that the Supreme Court will make an enormous landmark decision?

I dunno. I'd like to see some sort of Charleton Heston clone get the the nomination.

I'm not here pimping for Rudy. His probable nomination is absolutely destroying this forum. It's almost painful to log on here. I want the White Knight that I doubt will appear. But it's not late for him to come riding in.

I think though, that the worst choice we could make for the nominee is McCain. Rudy scares me far less.

You just have to play the cards you're dealt.

[Dog Gone]

You Sir are confused. The USSC has never ruled that the RKBA didn't cover every city, state, and square inch of the USA

No, I'm not confused, and if you want to tell me which law school you graduated from and your class standing, I'll be willing to compare and perhaps yield.

Unless and until the 2nd is imposed on the states, it's a restriction on the federal government.

This may sound basic to you, but the US Constitution is a restriction on the Feds.

If it's not basic, please understand that.

[ZULU]

Add ILLEGALS to that TOO. ALSO "HATE CRIMES".

This guy is a total leftist and is in the wrong party.

[Doohickey]

Huh? Don't just look at the picture this time. Read the words.

[deport]

I don't know if can believe the line that "most Republicans don't know."

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You'd think that they know at the CPAC meeting but yet two Northeastern liberals as they are classified here won the the top two spots.. So I agree with your observation about believing the 'don't know line'. I think they know and it's not the deciding factor in their scheme of decision making in today's environment...

[SWAMPSNIPER]

If Bush signs an AWB, I will burn my voter I.D. and get a new one that doesn't say republican on it. We were told that he only made the promise knowing that the bill would never leave congress. He has no reason to sign it now, unless he really believes in it.

[Beagle8U]

You don't need to go to law school to know that the US Constitution covers every state in the union and has control over any law that any state passes until such a time it is amended to allow such law.

You should have learned that in 6th grade.

[Mr. Mojo]

I want the White Knight that I doubt will appear. But it's not late for him to come riding in.

Lotta time left, DG. This campaign season kicked into gear abnormally early, and the current frontrunners could very well burn themselves out with the electorate by summer's end. While Newt may not be of "White Knight" status he's certainly better than anyone in the current crop (of frontrunners), and I think he's waiting for the candidates to punch themselves out before announcing. ....an announcement that would come at a more traditional time.

And Hunter is slowly building momentum. ....ya never know.

[flashbunny]

I think dog gone was going for the "incorporation" angle WRT the 2nd amendment. Namely there is a thought by some that if the supreme court doesn't make a ruling that incorporates an amendment to cover states or local governments, then it doesn't cover it.

Then there would be people like me, and probably you, who subscribe to the original intent philosophy, whereby if the founding fathers were smart enough to put it in the BOR as basic human rights, which means it can't be taken away from a free man by any other man or level of government. And it doesn't take 9 people in robes to 'grant' those rights to us by a ruling when we were born with those rights.

The problem with rudy is that he most certainly believes in the 'incorporation' approach for the 2nd amendment, but also wants to use the federal government to ban guns, so he doesn't give a crap about the 2nd amendment on a federal level either.

[Dog Gone]

You should have learned that in 6th grade.

Really. What part about the rights being reserved to the states did you fail to understand?

Your sixth grade education entitles you to lecture me on the state of law in this country?

This is eye-opening, for sure.

[MACVSOG68]

Then you may have a problem with reading comprehension.

Yeh, I ain't never been gud at reedn, like the nteligunt peeple hear....

[Dog Gone]

Hunter has a theoretical chance, but I don't think he has a real life chance.

There still is a lot of time, and I'm not ruling anything out, but it will take tens of millions of dollars to win the nomination, and the nomination looks like it will be won early, or at least could be.

I don't know what the magic number is, but if he hasn't raised 50 million by the summer, it's hard to imagine that he'll be competitive next February.

There's still time, though, I'll certainly leave the door open.

I don't for the life of me understand why Newt hasn't declared. If you wait too long, it's too late.

If his strategy is to toy with the possibility with no intention of running, it makes sense. Otherwise, I don't understand it.

[MACVSOG68]

We were told that he only made the promise knowing that the bill would never leave congress.

And it may not, but given the change in leadership, he may bargain with it for something much more near and dear to him, Iraq funds, judicial nominations, or withdrawing of some investigations. We'll see, but he's not holding all the cards anymore with the Democrats now controlling both houses.

[flashbunny]

Or maybe it's just hard for you to see the truth with your head in the sand.

Just to sum it up for you:
Rudy:
1. Sued gun makers and dealers to put them out of business using the same tactics as sarah brady
2. Called for a nationwide "assault weapons" (meaning scary looking semi auto weapons) ban STRONGER than the one passed by a democrat controlled congress and signed by bill clinton
3. Called for nationwide handgun licensing. Meaning he'd want it as bad as NY city's program, which would make it nigh impossible for most people to buy and own handguns.
4. supports nationwide handgun registration
5. Supported the 'brady bill'.
6. Took the number of handgun permits in NY city from around 30,000 (under a democrat mayor) to around 2,000 (under a supposedly 'conservative' mayor).

And I'm sure more will come out. But you'll still refuse to believe he's a gun grabber, won't you?

[Dog Gone]

I think dog gone was going for the "incorporation" angle WRT the 2nd amendment. Namely there is a thought by some that if the supreme court doesn't make a ruling that incorporates an amendment to cover states or local governments, then it doesn't cover it.

Yes I was, and like it or not, that's the current state of constitutional law in this country.

People can argue and insult people who don't agree, but that's just stupid. They want to believe that something is what it isn't.

I've never written a law or interpreted one from the bench. It's not my fault what the current constitutional law in this country is.