Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Roughly two thirds of the voters simply vote straight party tickets because Grandpa did and so did Pop. Either party could run Freako the Clown and they would not notice the difference as long as some Media Party Paid Shill kept going on the air night after night saying Freako is the choice or we're all doomed. That is what's going on in national politics and it allows corrupt elected to remain in office for decades.
Each party is having their beloved hand me down political family dynasty to support or their Mr Popularity Charasmia and never mind they are incompetent schmucks it's the family name or the hero worship that counts or how popular someone was. It's all that and never mind the person was a gun grabbing anti-second gun maker suing tyrant. It's OK the other party does it too.
They give more thought to buying a new toaster than they do electing politicians. Many can not tell you who is running even in their own congressional district. But hey Team GOP or Team Dem better win though.
Also forgotten in this are the Moderate Center Disasters like Gerald R Ford, GHW Bush, Bob Dole Say's, and almot W himself lost in 2000 simply because he tried to be a centerist. Gore did it also and had Gore not been linked to Clintons Bush would never have been elected.
As for the part about DINO's and RINO's changing sides. Half true they do jump sides and in the case of the DEMs jumping on the Reagan and then 1994 GOP takeover they forget to check their liberalism at the door. It was the beliefs they were after. They wanted to be like the Jonses down at the club. The Conservatives got the party in and the RINO' LIBERALS then like they do every thing else including such groups as the NRA start destroying it from within by compromising to the other side on important key issues. When they jump sides nothing changes at all they simply bring the liberalism to the other party in effect become a majority controlling the two parties agenda. So no we do not need RINO's.
When you run a moderate Republican he is usually not that far apart on issues it means you do not get the DEM Conservative votes that helped put Reagan in office and later the 1995 GOP in power. It mean you have two parties not that far apart on most issues such as the nation has suffered from since 1996. It means then why not just appoint a KING and forget the RIGHT TO FORMING SELF OPINION and STANDARDS by which we should elect our representatives and POTUS.
Why don't we? Because that is not what this nation was formed on nor was it formed on the idea that two political Party Thinkalike Bullies could be allowed to run roughshod over We The People or we be limited to voting the lesser of Two Evils or else.
The ballot box is the only measure other than the ammo box by which we can for certain change the course of the nation. Voting for the choice of two persons of the same basic wrong policies is national suicide. No Thanks. Our founders and Framers of this nation wisely did not bind us to political parties but in the POTUD election the top 5, then top 3, then the POTUS and vice POTUS was chosen and the VP was not the POTUS yes man thus checks and balances. Many forget that because they can not think beyond their party not having 100% control for an election cycle. As a result the nation suffers.
I'll bet Bill Simon didn't know either.
And I have grave questions about the electability of the second rank candidates.
For the first time I can remember we don't have a solid conservative among the front-runners.
*yawn*
Like looking in a mirror for ya, huh.
Don't you think conservatives need to be more persuasive rather than just blaming?
I know! I cannot quit laughing at these people and their ridulous claims -- they will type in anything -- truth doesn't matter!
But it is YOU and your liberal idiot buddies who are trying to elect Prez Hitlary by putting forth a Republican nominee who is absolutely unacceptable to a large faction of conservatives.. Pick a better, less liberal extremist candidate and we'll talk.
FOTFLOL!
It's as if they type just to see their words on the screen.
I can't quit shaking my head at Giuliani's Girlz and their brainless swoons. They will support him no matter what he does or says. Conservatism be damned.
Very true and somehow it makes all the words true! More Fantasyland here then in Disney World recently!
B/S nasty afer troll boy.
You are your ilk have turned off GOOD FReepers --- FReepers who donate here. Let's see if y'all pony up what you've caused to be lost come the next FReepathon.
Ironic, these Rudy threads are like riding Space Mountain, as we all sing "It's A Small World". :)
"You are your ilk have turned off GOOD FReepers --- FReepers who donate here. Let's see if y'all pony up what you've caused to be lost come the next FReepathon."
What a lame attempt. That's pretty low.
Dear Jim Robinson,
I think that it's inaccurate to say that we social conservatives are unwilling to compromise. Over the years, we've compromised plenty.
Even on the issue of abortion, we've often compromised. For the good of the [pro-life] Republican Party, I've voted for folks here in Maryland who weren't pro-life. Folks who aren't completely conservative can be valuable in lower offices to help build coalitions and party strength. I understand pushing for the real conservative in the primaries, and voting for the much-less conservative in the general election.
As well, with regard to presidential candidates, most of us are willing to vote for candidates who are clearly flawed. An example was Sen. Allen.
Sen. Allen was in favor of abortion's legality in the first 8 weeks or so of pregnancy. However, he was also in favor of permitting states to come up with their own laws relating to abortion, ranging anywhere from total bans to abortion on demand.
That position, of course, required overturning Roe, which of course, would require appointing justices who could see that Roe's finding of a "right" to abortion in the Constitution was deeply flawed, and requires reversal.
I'd have voted for Sen. Allen for president, even though, as a pro-lifer, I found him far less than 100% in agreement with the pro-life perspective.
That's compromise - real compromise.
But the rudybots aren't asking us to compromise. Their asking us to capitulate. "Compromise" means being entirely defeated on the issues of life, traditional family, the Second Amendment, etc. Mr. Giuliani doesn't represent a partial victory for social conservatives, but rather a complete, utter defeat.
As well, the election of Mr. Giuliani to the presidency would be a more thoroughgoing defeat of conservatism, especially social conservatism, then the election of Mrs. Clinton, in that the Republican Party would be destroyed as a vehicle for future conservatism, especially social conservatism.
No, asking actual conservatives to vote for Mr. Giuliani isn't asking for compromise, it's asking us to commit political suicide.
But my how the rudybots, RINOs, and outright liberals whine when we refuse to drink the poison.
sitetest
Not low at all. It's the truth.
Well, I'm not but I do belong to the great majority of Americans in the middle and hawk left who also cherish this nation and its values.
The right lost the fight with Clinton over impeachment when they allowed themselves to shriek treason and boy did that ever piss off the 'independents'.
Not likely, given his apparent predilections.
Like I said earlier. Reality will set in April 1st.
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