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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

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To: Howlin

Well, I see you are firmly planted in the camp that life and liberty are meaningless trifles to be negotiated away for temporary political advantage. Thank God the majority of conservatives are not such weaklings.


861 posted on 02/28/2007 2:15:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Guenevere

Oh, FGS, get over yourself.

And did you manage to find a post where I trashed Jim Robinson?

If not, you can start by apologizing to me.


862 posted on 02/28/2007 2:15:44 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Steel Wolf
Underlying all of your posts is the assumption that AMericans are by-and-large liberal. I do not buy that supposition. I think they are hungry for a real conservative and will respond to someone who will at least sincerely argue for conservatism.

The real problem is being a conservative candidate and getting around the media. Of course that is what the last truly conservative president did so well. For that to happen again the planets truly have to align, I'm afraid.

Until then I will continue to vote for the guy who's positions most closely correspond with my own beliefs - I don't care who he is or what his chances are - and don't really give a shi'ite what names I'm called.

863 posted on 02/28/2007 2:16:32 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Guenevere
But I also know there are others who are aligned with you against him here that share that thread...

What in the HELL are you talking about?

864 posted on 02/28/2007 2:16:33 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

If I don't matter, then why post to me?

Maybe you just like acting oblivious. LOL


865 posted on 02/28/2007 2:17:47 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I have a serious question. If Rudy swore to appoint strict constructionist judges and not overturn anything that Bush had done by executive order concerning abortion, would that satisfy you? What about a similar statement on gun control...that it would be left as is?

I have no one I am supporting, and am simply trying to get people to discuss things civilly (although from the looks of things, this is probably a lost cause).

I will vote for whoever gets the nomination. I am not supporting anyone in the primaries as of now, and probably won't. My primary is pretty late and I am not doing any volunteer work this go around due to my husband's schedule.

So, do you think that sort of pledge would help him and change any minds? And here is another thing I would like your opinion on...if, despite all of the opposition we see here, Rudy still gets the nomination, will we not see a further marginalization of conservatives?

I truly am interested in your opinion. Thanks!

866 posted on 02/28/2007 2:17:58 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: Howlin
With a Democrat President and legislature; Can you spell Fairness Doctrine?

It can pass with a 51% majority. It can't be filibustered.
That among several other serious, non reversible issues will be on the table, or better said, railroaded through Washington.
867 posted on 02/28/2007 2:18:11 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I see you are firmly planted in the camp that life and liberty are meaningless trifles to be negotiated away for temporary political advantage.

What a ridiculous thing to say; you know better than that, but for some reason you feel the need to say things like that.

868 posted on 02/28/2007 2:18:32 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Oh great, more proof. Now I see Rudy has tapped William Gaynor as Senior Finance Adviser.
869 posted on 02/28/2007 2:18:35 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Howlin

Don't know where I've been but what happened to CT?


870 posted on 02/28/2007 2:19:56 PM PST by babaloo
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

And yet people here are willing to trade it away.


871 posted on 02/28/2007 2:20:31 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Delphinium; Gelato; Spiff; dirtboy; Reagan Man; Taxman; CounterCounterCulture; ...

"I'm fond of telling people that you never win an argument you don't make. So one of the reasons I think all these people tell us that they are pro-life in their hearts, and pro-life in the back room, but who refuse to be pro-life on the public platform with debate and discussion in this country -- we need to tell them that we don't have time for silence on the issues when the American people need persuading!

"I also think that if you never win an argument you don't make, how can you ever expect that you're going to find a winning candidate -- a candidate who stands for what you believe -- who stands on the right side of the issues -- when you are so busy looking to see if they'll win that you no longer care if they're right?

"Don't you think it's about time that we decided to make that leap of faith that was made when this country was founded? When they held the banner up and said, "this is the banner of human freedom." And they looked at the long sweep of history and there was nothing in that history to confirm that people could govern themselves.

"As a matter of fact, all the philosophers, and all the pundits, and all the experts stood against this great American experiment. They said that a people could not govern themselves -- that kings, and princes, and tyrants, and despots were the only people fit to govern.

"But they made a leap of faith, and they moved ahead. They didn't know if they would win or lose. They only knew that they had seen the right and they would stand for that right.

"And as we moved ahead in the history of this country, to the Civil War, and the Civil Rights movement, there were courageous hearts who were told at every junction that it was too soon, that it was wrong, that it was premature, that they could not win the battle against injustice.

"And yet they stood up not knowing what the outcome would be -- not knowing whether they would win or lose -- be victors or defeated -- only knowing in their hearts that they stood beneath the banner of God and His righteousness, and that He would make them whole, and they'd move ahead.

"That is the spirit that built this country. That's the spirit that built America. And yet in the back rooms of our politics, we are told that we cannot choose the right, that we can only choose the winner. But I'll tell you -- if enough Americans are willing to raise this banner upright in their homes, and in their businesses, and in their churches, and in their schools, then I'll tell you what we have seen time and again in American history.

"That when we have the courage to stand where we belong, it turns out that that is the place of victory. That is what I intend to do."

Alan Keyes
Austin Texas, 31 March 1995

http://www.netads.com/~meo/keyes_aus.html


872 posted on 02/28/2007 2:20:33 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: babaloo

I've been gone, too, but I just read at the top of this thread that he left FR.

One of many, no doubt.


873 posted on 02/28/2007 2:21:20 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

I'm sure we'll be hearing more from the great Mr. Keyes shortly.

After you've finished with your "work" here.


874 posted on 02/28/2007 2:22:07 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Please do not drag Keyes into this. I know what he says.

We are concerned with the 2008 election, not things that happened in the past, at least concerning people who aren't candidates.

875 posted on 02/28/2007 2:22:10 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: Al Simmons
Here's the question I want answered:

Is Driving Social Conservatives out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Groupies.


876 posted on 02/28/2007 2:22:14 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: EternalVigilance

When is he "intending" to enter the race this time, EV?


877 posted on 02/28/2007 2:22:29 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Howlin; Registered

He has? How dumb is that? He joined our group the last time!

Now they are questioning the manhood of Freepers and call us Desperate Housewives? All I can do is laugh! They really are afraid of Rudy winning! :)


878 posted on 02/28/2007 2:22:31 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com)
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To: JCEccles

Most of the ones here claiming to be social conservatives are not members of the Republican Party.


879 posted on 02/28/2007 2:23:32 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: PhiKapMom
You'rer just hoping Rudy will flirt with you.

Give him time. He might even marry you.

880 posted on 02/28/2007 2:23:52 PM PST by JCEccles
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