Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
I'm just a bachelor, whose stomach gets desperate if I don't cook a meal for it now and again. ;)
Showing your ignorance once again for all to see.
Posted by Jim Robinson to SJackson
On News/Activism ^ 02/27/2007 11:24:22 PM CST • 316 of 549 ^
What can't be used against Rudy? The fact that he is a social liberal? He admits it. Is proud of his support for gay rights, abortion, gun control, illegal immigration, global warming, control of free speech, etc, etc.
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EternalVigilance : C'mon, these are all socialist issues. These are issues near and dear to the hearts of our finely feathered liberal fiends from the globalist/socialist/Marxist Democrat party. These are the issues they use to breakdown down our moral society, erode away our constitution, dissolve our national sovereignty, erase our borders, tear down our defenses, strip us of our national heritage and pride, divide and conquer our people. Caving to socialism step by step will destroy our Republic.
The global socialists are at war with us and are making great headway because we refuse to see it or react to it as war. The enemy within is just as dangerous if not more so than the foreign enemy.
JR and I disagree on this, but you completely misrepresented the issue.
The school involved is in Ottawa, Canada, and thus unless you’re suggesting we abandon our national sovereignty and dissolve our borders, an interesting article, maybe a warning of the threat of activism, but pretty much none of our issues. And in my view not a legitimate issue to bash Rudy over. Or to hyperventilate over. Canada does plenty of things I wouldn’t like to import, from health care to gun control. Of course I don’t think he’s part of an international conspiracy as a few here do.
And I don’t see any enemies within posting on these threads, any more than I see traitors or proponents of homosexuality.
He started and controls this ....F O R U M
Oh, yeah, him, too; but the people at CP where that one posts call Jim that.
I see you got your period.
(Not a bodily fuction, see his post. Geez.)
This is getting laughable...LOL
No evidence of that.
(I dont know what Howlin did...the comment was directed at her) but I hit the abuse button and so would anyone with a lick of sense
Compromise with each other? You mean the conservatives should give in to the those among us who wish to support a woman's right to choose, gay rights, gun control, restrictions on free speech, insecure borders, etc, etc, ie, compromise with liberal positions which is exactly the same thing as compromising with liberals? Don't you see where your compromise is leading?
Sorry, but some things are simply not open to debate, not open to negotiation and not open to compromise.
I'll make my stand for God, country, family, life and Liberty!
Thank you very much.
Thanks, woofie.
No, I think I've had you pegged for sometime now.
Arrogant, big mouth, juvenile troublemaker.
That's the ticket!
Yes, there is entertainment value in some of the exchanges, but substance went out the window a few hundred posts ago...I have no doubt that, when I get home tonight, the thread will be well in excess of 1000 posts, at this rate...
I did NOT have it deleted; I wanted it to stay up; in fact,I asked the Mods to put it back so everybody who reads this forum could see it.
BS.
You missed some choice descriptions!
Hmmmmm. I saw that same term used a lot at an anti-FR site I looked at once. It wasn't Yahoo. Hmmmmmm.
As to this particular issue, I do know that, in politics, an "All or Nothing" attitude gets you Nothing. That is not an endorsement of Rudy. I have not yet decided who I will back in this race.
Here, here, MOgirl, the "all or nothing" attitude gets you nothing.
Personally, I am supporting either Guiliani or Romney at the present moment
I've seen plenty of warnings handed out by the mods through the years and those warnings were posted to the offender for all to see. I haven't seen a warning given on this thread yet, so perhaps rather than a warning, someone is being given a "high five" behind the scenes. LOL
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