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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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To: BlueAngel

I'd love to say I missed you all, but I'd be lying; the view off my deck today is quite the one I had yesterday! :-)

Good to see you too!


761 posted on 02/28/2007 1:39:42 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: BykrBayb
You have you sites totally mixed up.

No such comments ever crossed my computer.

I was also a member of CP, where that word was coined.

There is absolutely no relationship twix the two. In fact. Howlin and FR were CP's major topics to deride.

Like I said, you have a bit of trouble with the facts of the matter. But then, you always have.

762 posted on 02/28/2007 1:40:03 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: BykrBayb
No, they made it clear that it was someone in authority at Free Republic.

Alan Keyes is a mod? Learn something new every day.

763 posted on 02/28/2007 1:40:05 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Fierce Allegiance; Howlin; M. Thatcher

Howlin had it deleted, and you stand by that post?

I think some asked for it to be restored for all to see.


764 posted on 02/28/2007 1:40:06 PM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: BykrBayb
No, they made it clear that it was someone in authority at Free Republic.

That might be EV then.



(Flag him if you want, I am not in communicado with him)
765 posted on 02/28/2007 1:40:27 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: BykrBayb
It was group at yahoo, that was supposed to be private, but one of the members posted a link to it at another site, and it turned out to be open to the public.

Liar; you hacked it.

They never did tell me who they were talking about they called "The Grifter."

That was the name that the people at the web site you posted at called Jim Robinson; how can you forget?

766 posted on 02/28/2007 1:41:28 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: BykrBayb

They're trying to get you suspended/banned. Don't fall for the bait.


767 posted on 02/28/2007 1:42:01 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: BigSkyFreeper

No, the HOUSE was gay. LOL. Fires have no gender, silly, only houses do. :)


768 posted on 02/28/2007 1:42:03 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Only two of the posts pulled were mine.

The posts pulled were the ones that quoted you. All FR instances of that particular scrofulous comment are gone, but I'm sure you're a font of more.

769 posted on 02/28/2007 1:42:08 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: gpapa
I don't know. What do you think??

redrock

p.s. BUT he WOULD appoint Conservative Judges to the Supreme Court. Which is exactly the place abortion was made legal by a LIBERAL Supreme Court. I kinda imagine that a CONSERVATIVE Supreme Court would find a way to either trim down 'Roe v Wade'...or turn in over to the States to decide. The President has NO power to change 'Roe v Wade'.

770 posted on 02/28/2007 1:42:37 PM PST by redrock ("I'll learn to speak Spanish.......when it snows in Hell.")
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To: EternalVigilance

Oh, and nothing Keyes has said about slave reparations unnerved conservatives, right?


771 posted on 02/28/2007 1:42:43 PM PST by Peach
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To: MHGinTN

It was a site that some of us made when we got sick and tired of people like Butch there during the Terri thing.

It was NOT an anti=Freeper site and it was NOT a site we used to harm the Freepathons.


It was private and somehow Butch there got access to it *wink wink*


772 posted on 02/28/2007 1:42:54 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: M. Thatcher

If they were that bad, why is he not suspended? I imagine he got a warning...


773 posted on 02/28/2007 1:43:14 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Al Simmons

He is a patient man....


774 posted on 02/28/2007 1:43:20 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!...)
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To: Rex Anderson

Howlin had a post deleted for the language in it.

Mine were deleted because some people can't handle the truth.


775 posted on 02/28/2007 1:43:30 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: BykrBayb
They never did tell me who they were talking about they called "The Grifter."

Howlin's site wasn't an anti-Freeper site. I should know, I was a member. Howlin's site was a pro-Bush site. Had ZERO to do with FR.

The Clowns called Jim Robinson "The Grifter". That was the code word used over there.

776 posted on 02/28/2007 1:44:17 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Guenevere
I don't know why you think you can use your harsh words to discredit this good man

Why don't you get off your high horse and find one post where I said one word about Jim Robinson.

I can wait while you find one.

777 posted on 02/28/2007 1:44:47 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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Bookmark.


778 posted on 02/28/2007 1:45:25 PM PST by trisham (Hunter for president!)
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To: Howlin

I know. And apparently comments such as those are acceptable as long as they are coming from the right side of the fence. Perhaps someone should change the wording in the "Disclaimer" found on the FR home page if they have become meaningless. IMHO, there is plenty of evidence proving that they HAVE become meaningless.

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779 posted on 02/28/2007 1:45:33 PM PST by Chena
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To: Fierce Allegiance

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780 posted on 02/28/2007 1:45:46 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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