Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Thank you for your kindness, but I cannot complain. JR lets my posts stand and I'm glad most of the rebuttal posts stand, also.
I've been reading the comments on your thread, Al Simmons. I think anyone who wasn't out to find a reason to flame you understood exactly what you were saying. Unfortunately there will always be a few folks who just can't have an honest debate without resorting to being downright rude and obnoxious.
I know I'm not alone in hoping that the disruptors will eventually be ignored and/or banned.
RINO = Rudy Is Number One.
To suggest that all who support Rudy, those like Sen. Brownback and Rep. Sessions, are liberals or Rinos is insanity. 100% insanity.
Another Rudyite admits to being opposed to the Republican Party Platform. He calls it "drivel" and "garbage" and admits to wanting liberal Rudy to hijack the party so that the liberals in the party can "clean that mess back up". I've never seen a fifth column troll so openly expose their anti-conservative agenda on this conservative forum. This debate is really drawing the rats out of their filthy holes.
It's been around long before FR existed too. I'm no spring chicken. I've used Usenet since the early 1990's.
I'm amazed that you posted that, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. You're all of the same spirit.
I think you are both onto something that we should not discount.
I don't think some of these people care if we win!
How dare I what? You just told me what YOUR stand was, as if something is wrong with me if I don't believe just like you do, and you have a problem with MY reply?
Be sure to read #385. Cold Heat has nailed it.
I agree, but the way the first term election numbers broke down, he was not left with much of a choice.
This has also been the driver behind a lot of seemingly unexplainable moves that have been made by the admin on occasion but it is much more visible in the congress, or was.....
I think the political guru's call it "base politics". It is a very dangerous game that most often fails.
There is NO reasons that just because the owner of this site has one point of view, that everyone else must have the same one. To try to use that as refutation, does nothing to help you or anyone else.
I see you pine for the good ol' days when the Rockefeller Republicans ruled the GOP roost. So what if you were a perpetual minority party? At least you didn't to deal with those crude rubes who thought abortion was wrong and guns are good. Y'all always hated that Reagan taught y'all how to win. You'd rather lose your way.
:-)
I have no doubt you can stick up for yourself. Seen you do it. Just wish CT was still around to stick up for himself.
Sigh.
Sigh, all that polish, all that wax, all the time spent making it look good. Over the cliff it goes!
At the very least, you should ping Common Tator when he talk ABOUT him.
Did he EVER pay his bills and fines?
You won't be surprised by the names.
Don't you love that "actively avoided military draft" rant? Ignorance on parade.
So why ask?
Oh yeah, so what about spring chicken crap. I was around computers before the PC was invented. I used to go with my dad on weekends when he rented CPU time. I used to lug the punch cards and mag tapes for him. As i got older, I used to set up his trade show stuff for him, I was thrilled when IBM had the 5100, because it was only about 110 pounds. Long before PC's came about.
Besides, that term isn't exclusive tothe computer industry, far from it.
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