Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
That would be a laughable comment, if I didn't think you were serious.
YOu think it can't get any worse? You're a joke if you do.
That is what we're talking about. Those kinds of statements would have resulted in an immediate suspension. At least. But now it's actually encouraged.
It's amazing how these so-called Christian conservatives can make those comments so lightly.
The truth really sucks for you and your type, huh?
Truth to tell many 'liberal' Democrats like me describe themselves as Moderate just so we are not compared to Jesse Jackson and Chris Dodd rabble rousers, so the one/third breaks serve the purpose of best describing how the public thinks of itself...when they dare. Being a 'liberal' is only chic in academia and the arts.
On the other hand some conservatives don't want to be labeled such in case the audience thinks Pat Robertson or Ralph Reed so they claim to be 'moderates'.
That said, the problem for the GOP is not the battle from the Gingrich wing. It is the lack of a real headline hog popular with the press who can win.
My fear is that if the GOP continues to allow the right wing nuts to prevail in their venomous attacks, then my nightmare of HRC in the WH will haunt me into my grave.
Trust me on this: Whatever you do in your discussions stop making this site look like a primary for the Westboro Baptist Church crowd, because that is what internal polling shows about the forthcoming DLC attack plan...make as many independents and moderates think of anyRepublican nominee as an ignorant knuckledragging misspelled sign carrying 'God Hates Fags' flame throwing baby killer (I know that last is impossible to fathom...but that is how it happens to fall.)
You're a disgusting POS and it's people like you which has made people like me moderate my social positions because I want to distance myself firmly and irrevocably from your ugliness.
RINO means Republican in Name Only -- we all know that; what most people are missing is that the word RINO is being used on the wrong group of people.
I'd say a lot of these people talking about the "party" are the real Republicans In Name Only.
Can't handle the ttruth, eh?
..the same goes for my husband, my daughter, my son and my son in law...
...Here I stand...
What does POS stand for? This is a no-profanity forum.
Oh, the irony of that demand is hiliarous!
Thank you for reposting what he said in the event some sanity returns (doubtful) and it's reposted. I want to remember what this person stands for and all who don't repudiate it should be ashamed of themselves.
OMG you are really sick aren't you?
Oh, EVie, you're so fierce.
These same people were fighting for liberal Arnold Schwartzenkennedy over conservative McClintock in the CA election years ago. Some of these neocons have been hiding behind their support for the war, the troops, and President Bush for years deceiving people into believing that they were actually conservatives.
Conservative don't just support the WoT, the troops, and America in general. They also support the protection and sanctity of human life, the preservation of the traditions that established our great Republic, the perpetuation of the establishment of traditional marriage and family - the fundamental unit of our free and prosperous society. They support the right to keep and bare arms as protected by the Second Amendment. Etcetera. The people who support or who have sold out to Giuliani can hardly call themselves conservative anymore. Supporting liberalism is a betrayal of conservatism. Additionally, simply the absence of support for liberalism does not make one a conservative either.
How many babies did you save on FR today?
No, you abortion fans are sick!
The honest truth is, we've failed those 50 million babies because we've compromised our position on abortion by allowing the issue to become a third rail issue all these years. Fifty million lives later and it suddenly becomes vitally important.
You've helped prove that all the rules are out the window.
Now it's not just spam and partial birth abortion pictures, but your kind of filth.
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