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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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To: EternalVigilance

Phonies like you need to be exposed as the disruptors you are.


2,081 posted on 03/03/2007 7:05:24 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt; EternalVigilance

Hey, you know that EV was formerly a paid Alan Keys operative, don't you?

If you wanna make him mad, ask him something about slave reparations.


2,082 posted on 03/03/2007 7:07:09 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
"We are a people that can be confident of our future life in freedom only if we remember that the basis of that freedom is the Will beyond our will, the Power beyond our power, that our Founders understood to be the Will and Power of God." - Alan Keyes
2,083 posted on 03/03/2007 7:29:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Be strong in the Lord, in the power of His Might!")
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To: zbigreddogz; EternalVigilance

I kinda think that AK is why EVie is so disruptive and hurtful here. His hero embarrassed himself and compromised conservatives and when FReepers came to realize this they distanced themselves from that whackjob. Thats what hurt EVie and why he has to constantly divide here.


2,084 posted on 03/03/2007 7:34:33 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

Probably so.

Anyhow, I just find him hilarious.


2,085 posted on 03/03/2007 7:37:12 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

I'd laugh at him, too, if I thought he was for real. I think he's as phony as a xlinton dollar.


2,086 posted on 03/03/2007 7:38:23 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: zbigreddogz

Alan Keyes on Kresta in the Afternoon (Catholic radio)
September 9, 2004

KRESTA: I want to ask you about reparations. I think in the past when asked about reparations you've said, well, we've had reparations, it was called the Civil War and blood was shed. Have you changed your position?

KEYES: Well, no, actually I have written articles and talked about this before, and have always made the same point.

I don't think there can in fact be reparations for the injustice that was done in slavery. I think Lincoln was right, that the judgment about that was in fact involved in the Civil War, his famous second inaugural address that is so beautiful, regarding that the "judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether." He presented the Civil War as, in essence, a judgment from God about the evil of slavery. And I think that's correct.

The issue that's involved in true reparations--and when I have written about this, I've put the liberal proposals in quotes because I think what they were doing was a form of extortion, just trying to go to court to get some money out of people's pockets so they could put it in something they controlled, and so forth, and pretend that this was going to be requital for injustice, when in fact injustice can't be requited in that way, by one generation trying to do something about a sin committed by a previous one, when in point of fact that sin has already been requited by the previous generation.

But there was material damage done by slavery--material damage to folks who were at that time enslaved, material damage done that has been passed on as a legacy to their descendants--and that really has never been disputed in American history. Forty acres and a mule, all the way through affirmative action and the Great Society program--all were justified on the basis of this argument, that there is a legacy of material damage that had to be addressed.

KRESTA: Mmm-hmmm. That's right. We have to level the playing field…

KEYES: Yes, all that.

And yet, when you look at what was actually done--especially these government-dominated programs with the welfare and dependency and all that--they made matters worse. The effort that was made under those programs in this socialist fashion, as I and others have argued repeatedly, has actually produced more devastation in the community that was supposed to be benefited by it than--I argued this in my book Masters of the Dream--more devastation than slavery itself. And this is horrific in terms of the family structure, in terms of what has happened to the upbringing of children, in terms of the destruction of the moral foundations of the community.

KRESTA: What do you propose, then?

KEYES: What I have proposed is something that--in the old Roman Empire, when a community has been damaged, either by the fault or neglect of the state, they would remit tribute for a certain period of years so that you didn't have to support the government of the empire through your tribute, and that would give the community time to recover. This is what should have been done all along. You basically look at folks who have been damaged and say, look, we'll relieve you of the burden of paying for the public weal at the national level while you are working to repair the damage that has been done, and that way you're not taking money out of somebody else's pocket, you're giving people a chance to improve their life, but they can only take advantage of that chance if they are working, if they are willing to prepare themselves to invest and do the things that are necessary in order that this would mean something--right?--in terms of the advantage.

The advantage would be that for those who are working, obviously that's going to mean control of some extra income. For those who are even wealthy, it's going to mean they become factors of wealth who can invest, establish financial institutions, do other things that the community needs with less of a burden on the profitability of their enterprises.

Enterprises owned by black folks, without set-aside programs and bureaucracy, would become attractive for investment by other people because there you'd have a better chance of a profit margin because you didn't have the added burden of the tax. And for people who are too poor right now to pay taxes, they would become an attractive labor pool, where, instead of having to pay the gross, you pay the net, and get them to do the same work because you don't have to pay the government that difference.

This would be a program that would energize the community, and it has another benefit for me. I think it would become a demonstration project for what I believe needs to be done for the whole country, which is to get rid of the income tax.

http://www.keyesarchives.com/media/interviews/04_09_09kresta.htm


2,087 posted on 03/03/2007 7:44:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Be strong in the Lord, in the power of His Might!")
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To: EternalVigilance

What he's not "Dr. Keyes" anymore?

More for the very thin book collection: The Wisdumb of "Dr.Keyes" noted winner of errr nothing.

BWAAHHAHAAAAA


2,088 posted on 03/03/2007 9:27:44 PM PST by youngjim (I'm snowed in, so I'll be here all weekend; please be sure to tip your servers. . .)
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To: EternalVigilance

You tell me. They're your own words (threat?) directed to 68 grunt. You also flung the pejorative "troll" at him w/absolutely no evidence. In fact, he's been here at FR longer than you have. Is your definition of a troll anyone who disagrees w/you?


2,089 posted on 03/04/2007 1:45:28 AM PST by Carolinamom (Whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure -- President Bush SOTU)
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To: 68 grunt; EternalVigilance

Sorry. I failed to put your screen name in my reply up above to EV.


2,090 posted on 03/04/2007 1:47:27 AM PST by Carolinamom (Whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure -- President Bush SOTU)
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To: EternalVigilance

Yum, spam and Keyes, sorta goes together ...


2,091 posted on 03/04/2007 7:09:06 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Carolinamom

Not a problemo, thankx.


2,092 posted on 03/04/2007 7:09:50 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: jmc813; nopardons; doodlelady

After seeing that post, I tried to find it on Hunter's site, and it wasn't there that I could see. I did, however, find it here, in the FAQs near the bottom of the page: http://www.righttolifeact.org/html/home.html

This appears to be a site dedicated to Hunter's bill, the Right To Life Act of 2005. I don't think I would categorize it as a "pseudo-Christian blog". Maybe I'm wrong.


2,093 posted on 03/04/2007 7:24:39 AM PST by MonTinaGirl
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To: All

2,094 posted on 03/21/2007 11:37:12 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Rudy will beat Hitlary. The Toon's smear machine is working overtime. Are you helping them?)
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