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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: Registered

But if he was out of town at the time, it would be understandable.


1,901 posted on 03/01/2007 9:56:22 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hey, I already know you're a homophobe.

But I do remember how pretty your lashes were when we had dinner together. :-)


1,902 posted on 03/01/2007 9:57:45 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: MHGinTN

I am sure many representatives got on a plane to make that vote. I think you need to find out WHY he missed that critical pro-life vote.


1,903 posted on 03/01/2007 9:58:42 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Registered

I'll ask him when I see him ...


1,904 posted on 03/01/2007 9:59:30 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Registered

LOL. I'm ok, but I'm starting to worry about you.


1,905 posted on 03/01/2007 10:00:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: MHGinTN

Great! Report back to us ASAP.

I think it is VERY troubling that he couldn't make that vote.


1,906 posted on 03/01/2007 10:00:21 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Registered

apparently dear, you havent read any of my other posts elsewhere on FR. homophobia is not a problem for me.

The homosexual agenda on the other hand is, but I suppose some cant tell the difference from the persons and the agenda, but thats okay. really. ignorance is bliss!

I admit though I am skeered of liberal gun grabbin pro abort drag queens. Oh wait, thatd be hillary? Hmmm, nope, but close;)


1,907 posted on 03/01/2007 10:00:56 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Registered; MHGinTN

If it wasn't a life or death matter, it doesn't matter why he missed it. It WAS a LIFE or death matter to Terri Schiavo.


1,908 posted on 03/01/2007 10:01:23 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Terri Schiavo Incapacitated Persons Protection Bill - Duncan Hunter did not vote)
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To: Al Simmons
Okay, apparently everyone's definition of what constitutes a RINO is different.

One reason I will say Common Tator's thesis might not work like he thinks is there is a difference to "RINOs" and "DINOs." The people like Webb will vote and give control to the Democratic leadership. RINOs undermine the party and the leadership more than anything else.

1,909 posted on 03/01/2007 10:03:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: OMalley

As a football player I dressed up in a skirt in High School for a pep rally, wearing a skirt for a good cause doesn't mean much of anything, certainly not having to do with any agenda. That's why I feel you might be trying to bend things in an abnormal manner. I admit, OMalley isn't on my must read list on FR, my apologies.


1,910 posted on 03/01/2007 10:05:08 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Jim Robinson
LOL. I'm ok, but I'm starting to worry about you.

At this point with all the vitriol and bad vibes going on around here, I am the least of your worries. But if I ever ask to sit on your lap, PLEASE WORRY.
1,911 posted on 03/01/2007 10:07:29 PM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Registered

What the bloody blazes does dressing up in drag have to do with the homosexual agenda?

that part of my post regarding rootie was in jest, although i have big questions about a man wearing a skirt or dress, especially several times (football players exuded).

Rootie IS pro homosexual agenda. that Is an issue for me. so is gun grabbing, and folks that praise sagers work. I do NOT vote for pro abort politicians.

Well im glad im not high on your list so :-P ~ ~ ~ ~


1,912 posted on 03/01/2007 10:09:40 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Registered
wearing a skirt for a good cause doesn't mean much of anything,

Was the cause Rudy dressed up for a good cause. It was to promote the homosexual agenda.

I'd say that is also a democrat cause.

Tell me, why are all the things Rudy does ,that social conservatives find disgusting explained away as "he did it for political reasons", or "he did it for a good cause"?
1,913 posted on 03/01/2007 10:17:20 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
Monday, July 24, 2006

Giuliani in Drag [John Podhoretz]

Rudy Giuliani, for a gag video at a press dinner, dressed up as a woman. I understand that liberals think conservatives are so stupid they won''t be able to draw a distinction between a stunt and the real thing.

National Review Online (The Corner)


I understand that liberals think conservatives are so stupid they won''t be able to draw a distinction between a stunt and the real thing.

Apparently the liberals are right.

1,914 posted on 03/01/2007 10:27:13 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Terri Schiavo Incapacitated Persons Protection Bill - Duncan Hunter did not vote)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
If Rudy wasn't so chummed up with all the homosexuals and promising to promote their agenda , maybe then conservatives would look at it as just a fun thing.

Apparently the liberals are right.

Just like any other from the liberal elite, you think you know more than us regular folks who value life, liberty and family.

I'm used to it, I go up against democrats every year in campaigns.
1,915 posted on 03/01/2007 10:37:59 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Registered

Because the vote occurred during a special session called on short notice during the congressional Easter recess, 174 House members were not present for the vote


1,916 posted on 03/01/2007 10:46:24 PM PST by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: Al Simmons
It's on his website and I will ping you to the post about about, if I have your permisson to ping you.
1,917 posted on 03/01/2007 10:54:41 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Sure ping away - now remind me what we are talking about here?


1,918 posted on 03/01/2007 11:00:08 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

I am beginning to wonder about all these people obsessed with Rudy's routine.


1,919 posted on 03/01/2007 11:03:06 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Al Simmons

Hunter's weird birth control Bill.


1,920 posted on 03/01/2007 11:12:41 PM PST by nopardons
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