Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.

FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

[Al Simmons]

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.

[EternalVigilance]

Hey, "youngjim," grow up and then come back and we'll talk.

[Blue Collar Republican]

For the record: I like Tom Tancredo and I will end up volunteering a few hundred hours this season.

[OMalley]

PHEW! okay:-)

BRB gotta take my meds. the dentist moved my appt up to 12 days from now, sigh......

Hold down the fort LOL

[afnamvet]

Hi there Rudyphile and America thanks you for your service.

[Kevmo]

His page is still up.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~commontator/

His posts were always interesting at least.

[Delphinium]

And honestly I would have enjoyed it if you had posted

She wouldn't have had any thing to say, she's been like this since junior high.

[upsdriver]

Yeah, after I posted I realized you were joking. But it did give me a chance to opine about McCain.

[EternalVigilance]

I'll give him that.

[Syncro]

I have seen several people use only the first definition of the word abortionist to tarnish a statement with that word in it.

More than one person has accused Jim of saying that they perform abortions just because one of Rudy's positions was revealed. And of saying that Giuliani performs abortions. Kind of absurd IMO.

Some have wasted several posts on their myopic impression of the definition of the "word."

You even state "Your argument is illogical and spurious; not to mention slanderous, irrational, and 100% false."

Well, Random House doesn't agree with you on that.

From the dictionary:

a·bor·tion·ist

–noun

1.	a person who performs or induces abortions, esp. illegally.

2.	a person who favors or advocates abortion as a right or choice that all women should have: usually intended as an offensive term.

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[Origin: 1870–75, Americanism; abortion + -ist]

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

Some of the people that "misunderstood" Jim's use of the word are smart enough to have known what he meant, but just wanted to argue. I wasn't sure of the different uses of the word, so I looked it up. If others (and you) had, I think the message would have been clear.

[Blue Collar Republican]

What have you done besides "armchair Quarterbacking". I've seen EV work his a$$ off for conservative causes.

[upsdriver]

The old meds excuse again! uh huh!

[OMalley]

Well it would be really hard to go thru life without having any fun at all.

There are some things in my life im not particularly proud of, but all and all i can look back and LAUGH at myself and of course learn from my mistakes.

Its too bad folks paint with such a wide brush and from extreme points of view.

im no meany. honest! well okay maybe naughty, but never mean;)

but YOU, you are a big meanie bossy pants! j/k LOL

[OMalley]

Its the only exuse I got and Im sticking to it;)

[Delphinium]

and sexual matters. But then, to each her own. :-)

I decided I'd come back and address this one.

You have written a total lie about me. Never have I discussed my sex life on FR, never!

For lurkers: This is the kind of person nopardons really is. I made a joke back up in #1568, but decided to address it again for the sake of those who might not know the truth.

[Chena]

You're welcome. Personally, I find respectful, honest debate far more educational and productive, and wish we could have more of it on this forum. We have some amazing folks here who could teach us a thing or two, on BOTH sides of the presidential debate if we'd listen and not get caught up in personal attacks and name-calling/labeling.

[OMalley]

You are right, you have never discussed that!

Apparently some folks dont know the difference between a little horsing around or friskiness and sex. to each his own:)

[Delphinium]

Well I might have made a joke about my past but I also made it very clear that that behavior is the reason I have not drank in over 20 years.

All it did was prove them wrong about constantly calling me a religious zealot, and self righteous.

you aren't mean, she is.

[youngjim]

Hey, "youngjim," grow up and then come back and we'll talk.

That ship has sailed, dude. Calling a good freeper friend (Common Tator) a liberal, and a proud Veteran (68 grunt) a troll, has really frosted me. I'll be talking to you--every time I think you need to be rhetorically slapped. see tagline . . . .

BTW, brainiac, my name is an ironic comment on life. I am indeed jim, but not at all young.

[Delphinium]

Well it would be really hard to go thru life without having any fun at all.

Makes a person stiff and bitter.

[upsdriver]

Well my meds of choice tonite is a cup of coffee and a fudge bar. The Schwans guy was here tonite.