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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: Delphinium

I know.

instead of just coming out and admitting rudy is a liberal and they PREFER that, they lure us in (as admmitted by the author) and then proceed to poke and poke until someone pokes back.

then they sit back and say BOOHOO im SO picked on. THEN they proceed to laugh and make jokes and be smug. they are SO obvious, if it wasnt so aggitating it would be down right hysterical.

they arent fooling anyone except themselves!

OH well, atleast we all know how to have a little fun:-)


1,501 posted on 02/28/2007 7:38:16 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Al Simmons
I read that post and am just hearing *crickets*, in response.
1,502 posted on 02/28/2007 7:39:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: BigSkyFreeper

LOL


1,503 posted on 02/28/2007 7:39:27 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Blackirish

I'm sorry. I can't imagine what got into me. It was probably Satan.


1,504 posted on 02/28/2007 7:42:26 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: EternalVigilance
He isn't a "drag queen".

But I suppose your ridiculous comments are par for the course, for someone who lovingly supports a man who has twice pulled the RACE CARD, for no reason and thinks that reparations are just fine and dandy.

1,505 posted on 02/28/2007 7:43:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Al Simmons

the republican base alone, cannot elect a president. hell, the republican base, the social consservatives - couldn't even muster enough votes to return Jim Talent to the Senate from Missouri, in a state where a socon issue like stem cell research, was key in the race.

no matter how many times its posted - the demographics, and the analytical analsys of the electorate - isn't going to change in time for the 2008 election.

the US is a center/right nation. conservatives can either be part of a coalition that elects a president, or sit home and hand it to the Dems.


1,506 posted on 02/28/2007 7:45:26 PM PST by oceanview
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To: nopardons

You say Rudy is not a RINO. How would you define a RINO?


1,507 posted on 02/28/2007 7:46:08 PM PST by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: gpapa

no, no, no...you gotta get with the program. they are saying rudy IS a rino now. except that now RINO means Rudy Is Number One! LOL


1,508 posted on 02/28/2007 7:47:33 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Torie
I'm sorry. I can't imagine what got into me. It was probably Satan.

Oh gawd, that is the first post that got me to actually physically laugh out loud on this thread.

Thank you.

1,509 posted on 02/28/2007 7:47:50 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Jim Robinson
Rudy has NEVER operated on a woman/women.

An abortionist is someone who has done abortions.

Your argument is illogical and spurious; not to mention slanderous, irrational, and 100% false.

1,510 posted on 02/28/2007 7:49:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

1,511 posted on 02/28/2007 7:50:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Elyse
Internal party dissension during a primary is healthy and is what sets us apart from lock-step liberals who immediately jump on the latest rock-star band wagon.

The problem is that we can expect the media to exploit our differences of opinion all over the press while minimizing those of the Dems even as the anti-war radicals tear the party apart.
1,512 posted on 02/28/2007 7:51:02 PM PST by ParaVet93 (Proud to be a MINO...Moderate in name only)
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To: Delphinium

What exactly are you trying to say? Come on, just spit it and stop being coy.


1,513 posted on 02/28/2007 7:52:32 PM PST by nopardons
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To: OMalley
no, no, no...you gotta get with the program. they are saying rudy IS a rino now. except that now RINO means Rudy Is Number One! LOL

Just wait until he's "number two." They'll flush him faster than you can say "rooty tooty fresh 'n fruity!" :-)

1,514 posted on 02/28/2007 7:52:48 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Okay, so...

You have said you are Not supporting John Cox, and

JR stated Keyes would be Nuts to enter the race,

So, who are you For?

Duncan Hunter?

James Gilmore?

Newt?


1,515 posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:39 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: oceanview

"the US is a center/right nation. conservatives can either be part of a coalition that elects a president, or sit home and hand it to the Dems."

Everything you say here is true. What is left unsaid is that Rudy Giulianni will not be the chosen one.


1,516 posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:44 PM PST by upsdriver ((Hunter for Pres/ Ann Coulter Sec, of State))
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To: EternalVigilance

How professional. And people actually hire you?


1,517 posted on 02/28/2007 7:55:21 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: A Citizen Reporter

he works for peanuts


1,518 posted on 02/28/2007 7:56:10 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL well i for one will not forget! let them flush him, wont change a thing as far as im concerned. theyll just stick around and try to take the party left some other way;)


1,519 posted on 02/28/2007 7:56:23 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: A Citizen Reporter; nopardons

Taunting nopardons is just a hobby.


1,520 posted on 02/28/2007 7:56:35 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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