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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"In the Brig, I was thinking more like San Quentin!"

*LOL*. You know, a number of the Army Generals I directly worked for overseas some 10+ years ago were Vietnam vets, and some told similar stories privately. Listening to some of the stuff they found on returning home, you marveled that they didn't just lay a couple of these hippies straight out. Man I know I would have had a REAL hard time - I can't even imagine what that was like! The problem is, when you're in that uniform, if you do anything other than ignore them, its your fault. Remember when some bases stateside ordered servicemembers not to wear uniforms off base? I read about that. Unfreakinbelievable. I'm glad I was just a kid and missed that stuff.

1,421 posted on 02/28/2007 6:50:11 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: onyx
Wish I had one of those secret mentors! I have been out for a while, as I explained in 1283
1,422 posted on 02/28/2007 6:50:27 PM PST by bwteim (bwteim = begin with the end in mind)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Great rant!


1,423 posted on 02/28/2007 6:51:15 PM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: spectre
Duncan Hunter is a BIG GOVERNMENT guy, as well as a PROTECTIONIST ( but only when it is about others; not his pals ), who has little real life business experience, and has warmed a seat in the House for 26 years, with no name recognition ( even amongst those in the military ), who, by deciding to run for president, that he knows he can't win, has placed his House seat in jeopardy. He has no real financial nor political support and for all of his talk about the border, has spent 26 years in the House, completely ignoring the gaping hole ( which illegals and drug traffickers use daily ) in his own district.

He is a terrible speaker, has no charisma at all, and engenders NO faith in his ability to get ANYTHING done.

And no, he drains that glass....he would ruin our economy and based on what I know of his record, wouldn't do much, if anything for our troops nor the WOT.

1,424 posted on 02/28/2007 6:51:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: bwteim

I have been fortunate to attract all the smart men. :0)


1,425 posted on 02/28/2007 6:52:12 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Torie
Either spelling of the word is correct. The Canadian press spells it Tory or Torie, when referring to the Tories in Canadian politics, all depending of course on the paper your reading.

But yeah, my first instinct was to draw from Torie Clarke. Hence the thinking of the female gender. :)

1,426 posted on 02/28/2007 6:53:13 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: JCEccles

No, I found someone with a lot of Conservative positions who has PROVED, with DEEDS, not just words and platitudes, what he CAN do.


1,427 posted on 02/28/2007 6:53:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Rex Anderson
He is considered a very respectable leader by our allies.

Some of our allies respect Clinton, so really what does that prove?

1,428 posted on 02/28/2007 6:54:16 PM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: onyx

If you had a video cam you'd see me wiping the tears from my eyes with a big smile!


1,429 posted on 02/28/2007 6:54:46 PM PST by bwteim (bwteim = begin with the end in mind)
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To: Diggity
Abortion and Gun control are not huge issues when you consider the country is going to go bankrupt within 30 years if we don't do something now about the size of government and the cost of entitlements.

John, I'm going to politely disagree with this. When the country does go bankrupt within 30 years, the one God-given, constitutionally enumerated right that I and my family will depend on most is the 2nd amendment. I'm not referring .50 cals or machine guns (though there is absolutely nothing wrong about those types of firearms). I'm talking about my semi-automatic rifles and handguns that will be necessary to protect and defend the lives and liberty of my family and I against criminals (who will never obey gun-control law) and tyrants.

I won't support any candidate in a primary election who has shown a propensity to agree that more gun-control (which has been implemented with a policy of incrementalism since at least 1934) is a good thing regardless of what the constitution has to say about it.

Should that type of candidate advance to the general election, even with a (R) behind his name, well, I haven't yet decided if I can hold my nose that long.

FRegards,

H-T

1,430 posted on 02/28/2007 6:55:09 PM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: bwteim

(( bwteim )) you're mine and don't you forget it!!!


1,431 posted on 02/28/2007 6:55:58 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Al Simmons
The up and coming war rally in Washington is going to have about the same numbers of hippie types there. Only they aren't going to have a free ride this time.

They have to go thought the middle of about 10,000 Viet War Vets to get to the Memorial they plan on violating.

Pay backs are a comin'!
1,432 posted on 02/28/2007 6:56:35 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Man I wish I lived on the East Coast so I could join you down there!


1,433 posted on 02/28/2007 6:57:26 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: onyx
Blush blush

bonyx

1,434 posted on 02/28/2007 6:58:08 PM PST by bwteim (bwteim = begin with the end in mind)
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To: onyx
I have been fortunate to attract all the smart men. :0)

I remember teaching you how to post poll results that you FReeped. I did it one time, and you said "Gosh, I'd like to learn how to do it", so I taught you. :)

1,435 posted on 02/28/2007 6:59:18 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Jim Robinson

Calling fellow conservatives treasonous liberals is beyond the pale.


1,436 posted on 02/28/2007 6:59:27 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Jim Robinson
Was his statement a lie?

Was it an exaggeration?

Or was it a fact?

1,437 posted on 02/28/2007 6:59:27 PM PST by nopardons
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To: bwteim

LOL!


1,438 posted on 02/28/2007 6:59:50 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Further proving my assertion that I attract all the smart men! You're one of 'em.


1,439 posted on 02/28/2007 7:00:35 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Sunsong; EternalVigilance; Spiff; narses; Reagan Man; dirtboy
Why are you refering to me?

I have posted words from Rudys own mouth, that shouldn't bother you. You are a liberal and that is well known on FR. You agree with Rudy on all the liberal stands he takes, why are you complaining about the truth?
1,440 posted on 02/28/2007 7:03:28 PM PST by Delphinium
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