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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: nopardons; Al Simmons

Do you agree with Al that we will die unless Rudy is elected?


1,361 posted on 02/28/2007 6:24:49 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Al Simmons

For what it's worth, I think you're funny. But I've been on Alka-Seltzer Plus all day.


1,362 posted on 02/28/2007 6:25:32 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Fiddlstix

:0)


1,363 posted on 02/28/2007 6:25:34 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: JCEccles
The best evidence I can give you (and I am not supporting Guiliani or anyone else) is that he has amassed a lot of support which is tied to his no-nonsense attitude with Arafat, the Saudi Prince, and crime-fighting.

I think his tough-guy image would inspire confidence in people (although that part is simply my opinion). On numerous occasions he has supported the President on the war without any of the waffling I have seen from Brownback and Romney.

1,364 posted on 02/28/2007 6:25:35 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: NittanyLion
"Those who support Rudy are trying to lay claim to the coveted "victim" status."

WRONG. WE are just asking 'you guys' to lay off the ad hominem, which has traditionally been the tactic of the OTHER party. And God knows we'll hear ENOUGH of it from them in the Fall of 2008. Let's not bleed to death from self-inflicted wounds.

1,365 posted on 02/28/2007 6:25:38 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: JCEccles

Rudy has been tested, dude.


1,366 posted on 02/28/2007 6:26:03 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Al Simmons

Honestly, yes, if you used it a similar context. I'd know you were angry and and that you weren't accusing me of being a John Walker Lindh or anything, but rather using it in the sense of betraying trust. (As I said, that has been explained ad nauseum.) I'd get over it rather quickly.


1,367 posted on 02/28/2007 6:26:10 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: JCEccles

Well, why not that? After all, I've been told that communism will prevail in America if Rudy is not the nominee, and on a separate occasion that we will all be living under sharia if he lost.


1,368 posted on 02/28/2007 6:26:51 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Howlin

Napa, liberal country. A joke.


1,369 posted on 02/28/2007 6:27:05 PM PST by SJackson (No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms, Thomas Jefferson)
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To: JCEccles

You would be amazed at Guiliani's foreign policy experience. I was.
You should do some research.


1,370 posted on 02/28/2007 6:27:14 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yes, my hands are clean and you know it!

If that was not the fact, I would no longer be here.

Go find a post, by me, just one, that is spam, that contains a lie, where I have said that someone else is a drink or a Communist.

And those who live in glass houses.....................

1,371 posted on 02/28/2007 6:28:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: onyx

interesting chart


1,372 posted on 02/28/2007 6:28:40 PM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Miss Marple
The Iraq War is incredibly unpopular nationwide, and is the cause of Republican losses in 2006. Giuliani's support of it will hurt him in the general election.

He will never be President.

1,373 posted on 02/28/2007 6:28:57 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: SJackson

Went right over my head.


1,374 posted on 02/28/2007 6:28:59 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: SJackson
You missed my point. The campaign underway is a primary campaign. There are no straight party tickets, or they're all straight party tickets.

I was trying to figure out what the meaning was because you wrote this Not only do I reject the ammo box in this context, but I'd like you to show me a single state where a voter can vote a straight party ticket in the primaries.

I know a person has to vote within party in the primaries or in my state they do. I know the difference between the two. I know now you left a word out our the sentence "Not" as in "can not vote". But in the primary they will vote for what Party Shill Liberal Talking Head says to. Tancredo needs to fire up a few more stogies as it looks like that is the only way the media will even discuss conservatives.

1,375 posted on 02/28/2007 6:29:05 PM PST by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: Al Simmons; onyx; Miss Marple

We're all going to DIE if Rudy isn't elected

I don't think so.

1,376 posted on 02/28/2007 6:29:11 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: EternalVigilance
After all, I've been told that communism will prevail in America if Rudy is not the nominee

And you have insinuated abortions would be performed at the White House, and that by merely supporting Guiliani, we would have blood from aborted babies on our hands.

Despicable, EV.

1,378 posted on 02/28/2007 6:30:12 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Giant Conservative
Giuliani's support of it will hurt him in the general election.

So Chuck Hagel's your guy?

1,379 posted on 02/28/2007 6:30:16 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Al Simmons
WRONG. WE are just asking 'you guys' to lay off the ad hominem, which has traditionally been the tactic of the OTHER party.

If that's what you really think, you've missed the boat on this topic. Many of these folks have used Jim's past comments to bludgeon those who questioned the current administration. Now that they suddenly find themselves on the opposite side of an issue from the site's owner, they don't know how to respond other than to cast themselves as victims.

1,380 posted on 02/28/2007 6:30:23 PM PST by NittanyLion
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