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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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To: Politicalmom

It is acknowledge mainly on the Rudy Haters side because that is where most if not all of it is. I have never said anything really nasty or vicious to the Rudy Haters, nor has any of the rest of us.


121 posted on 02/28/2007 9:50:19 AM PST by twonie (RUDY FOR PRESIDENT '08. THERE - A COMMITMENT OUT LOUD.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Whatever. Hope the Democrat party pays you well.
122 posted on 02/28/2007 9:50:23 AM PST by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Whatever. Hope the Democrat party pays you well.
123 posted on 02/28/2007 9:50:28 AM PST by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I see it's "cut and paste" day at the pre-school.

Hey, if you wanna talk to preschoolers, you gotta go where they are.

124 posted on 02/28/2007 9:51:03 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: pissant

It isn't even just the "religious right," this is a serious issue for a lot of people. The last time the GOP ran a pro-abortion candidate for president was Ford in 1976, this was only a few years after Roe v. Wade and the statistics from America's Holocaust weren't really available yet. This issue is A LOT more non-negotiable than even Rudy's pro-homosexuality and gun grabbing.

But if Rudy is prepared to lose this vote, maybe he could clue us in as to where he thinks he will pick up the extra votes from.


125 posted on 02/28/2007 9:51:26 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: EternalVigilance
Hey, if you wanna talk to preschoolers, you gotta go where they are.

'zackly. Why do you think anyone shows up to talk to you?

126 posted on 02/28/2007 9:51:57 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Al Gore needs to reduce his carbon butt-print.)
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To: NathanR
Whatever. Hope the Democrat party pays you well.

You're the one Rootin' for a Democrat in Republican clothing.

127 posted on 02/28/2007 9:51:58 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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save


128 posted on 02/28/2007 9:52:49 AM PST by krunkygirl
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To: wagglebee

Even if he was pro-life, I cannot support him for at least 5 other major reasons.


129 posted on 02/28/2007 9:53:01 AM PST by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Corin Stormhands

This is true........LOL.


130 posted on 02/28/2007 9:53:34 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: NathanR

Evidently the DNC is investing heavily in getting FR closed down from the looks of it.


131 posted on 02/28/2007 9:54:21 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hey Jim, I thought you ran this forum?

Sure looks like you've been co-opted.


132 posted on 02/28/2007 9:54:25 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Al Simmons

The term "Rudy-Hater" is troubling.
I would not vote for Rudy because his liberal stance on taxes, gun control, life and other issues, but I profoundly admire and respect the man as the take charge leader who lead us through the World Trade Center attack.
I like and trust Rudy, I just wouldn't vote for him.


133 posted on 02/28/2007 9:55:01 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: pissant

I wouldn't either. And my guess is that the 'Rats are the ones who are really pushing his campaign.

If Rudy can beat Hitlery, THEN WHY DIDN'T HE RUN AGAINST HER LAST YEAR FOR HER SENATE SEAT?


134 posted on 02/28/2007 9:55:14 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Howlin
Evidently the DNC is investing heavily in getting FR closed down from the looks of it.

Is that what they told you at the morning staff meeting?

135 posted on 02/28/2007 9:55:51 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Registered

I have been gone for about ten days; my email is FULL of firey missives saying exactly the same thing.


136 posted on 02/28/2007 9:56:16 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don't have to do staff meetings; all I have to do is read what people are saying about you.


137 posted on 02/28/2007 9:56:55 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin; Registered
I have been gone for about ten days; my email is FULL of firey missives saying exactly the same thing.

Yes, it pains many that Jim isn't following y'all into RINO hell, doesn't it.

138 posted on 02/28/2007 9:57:32 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: BuffaloJack
The term "Rudy-Hater" is troubling.

Same here. Personally I like him as a man (not so much as a woman) and he was apparently a good mayor of a liberal place like NY but I won't vote for him as president.
139 posted on 02/28/2007 9:58:00 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Howlin
I don't have to do staff meetings; all I have to do is read what people are saying about you.

I could not care less what your crowd thinks of me. But you know that.

140 posted on 02/28/2007 9:58:13 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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