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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Every time I read someone say the Republicans under George Bush have been advancing the culture of death,

Who on earth said that?

1,181 posted on 02/28/2007 5:15:03 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
I find it interesting how tender some are on this thread about being in Giuliani's employ. Things that make a guy go "hmmmm..."

I get the same feeling about you when Alan Keyes gets mentioned even in passing.

1,182 posted on 02/28/2007 5:15:04 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Rex Anderson

Now that might have set him off.........LOL.


1,183 posted on 02/28/2007 5:15:49 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: PhiKapMom
"I didn't have any idea who he is but anyone that tells me I want to marry Rudy along with other snide remarks doesn't deserve my respect. Been around the AF for almost 30 years and trust me I know some really good generals/colonels and some not so good. BTW, I never posted to him on this thread and the comments came out of blue."

I don't know him personally, though we both worked with some of the same people (he was at least 10-15 years ahead of me, so to speak, while on active duty).

Well, it wouldn't be the first time I've 'stepped into it' coming to defense of a senior officer simply because of his rank. Must have missed his initial post to you. All I can say is 'sorry'!!! :>(

1,184 posted on 02/28/2007 5:15:55 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Well, unlike some here, my past employ by the good Doctor has never been kept a secret.


1,185 posted on 02/28/2007 5:15:59 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Torie; EternalVigilance

Isn't Ted Olson supporting Rudy? I find that interesting...I suppose EV considers him a political hack, too.


1,186 posted on 02/28/2007 5:17:06 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am so glad you said that!

So, that pretty much leaves Duncan Hunter, and Jim Gilmore has also entered to race. Very Hunter-like, but better in front of cameras and audiences, and handles the media well.

See, now that there are no kooky 3rd party guys, we could actually get somewhere! The 3rd party folks here will be deeply saddened, though.


1,187 posted on 02/28/2007 5:17:16 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

The remark about Guilani's staff being overpaid reeked of envy imo.


1,188 posted on 02/28/2007 5:17:27 PM PST by Carolinamom (Whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure -- President Bush SOTU)
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To: Rex Anderson

Well, well.

I suppose those White Evangelicals are all traitorous evil pro-abortion gun grabbers, huh?


1,189 posted on 02/28/2007 5:17:43 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
The 'Good Doctor' is a first-rate demagogue (saw him at John Haggee's church in San Antonio years ago), and a third-rate politician.

And his inability to hide the fact that he has an ego the size of the Empire State Building prevents his ever being elected to ANY position....

1,190 posted on 02/28/2007 5:18:14 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Al Simmons

BS


1,191 posted on 02/28/2007 5:19:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: trisham

You aren't nearly as "clever" nor as "witty" as you imagine yourself to be; nor are you as politically as savvy as you hope others will think you are.


1,192 posted on 02/28/2007 5:19:49 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin

Don't forget the blood on their hands from aborted babies.


1,193 posted on 02/28/2007 5:19:55 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Howlin
Who on earth said that?

It's been said by a number of posters in the Rudy threads from time to time.

1,194 posted on 02/28/2007 5:20:41 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Jim Robinson

The standard these people try to set for Alan Keyes couldn't be reached by any living man, and yet, their standard for party liberals is lower than a rat's belly. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.


1,195 posted on 02/28/2007 5:21:53 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
I find it interesting how tender some are on this thread about being in Giuliani's employ

There isn't a single post on this thread or anywhere else on the forum that supports your statement.

Your post is a charge by innuendo that "some" here are in Giuliani's employ. Name names.

1,196 posted on 02/28/2007 5:22:19 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Carolinamom

I sensed a large amount of hypocrisy.


1,197 posted on 02/28/2007 5:22:32 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: EternalVigilance
You think I've been asleep for the past 20 years? I've watched him since he first surfaced in the Reagan Administration; He IS a brilliant man, a little TOO anxious to show you just HOW brilliant, however, a great demagogic speaker, but a lousy politician.

His campaigns of late got him into the public's eye, undoubtedly stroked his ego, and helped him pay the mortgage.

But as far as having any influence on the electoral process - nada. You notice that Dubya didn't appoint him to his administration, didn't you?

He is cut out to be a charismatic college professor, that would be his best role.

1,198 posted on 02/28/2007 5:22:35 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Rex Anderson

How could I forget that; I was the one called a murderer.


1,199 posted on 02/28/2007 5:23:58 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Miss Marple

Ted Olson is just blinded by his personal friendship with Rudy, I think is the talking point of choice. But heck, there is no reason to totally dismiss the possibility out of hand that Olson is greedy, gay and Godless himself. After all, he is a very highly paid lawyer, and thus greedy, and a disproportionate number of lawyers are Godless, and has Olson remarried yet?


1,200 posted on 02/28/2007 5:24:01 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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