Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Given the fact that Jim and others had to post the definition of "treason" so many times before some of you understood what it meant, I'm not entirely surprised that you'd use such hyperbole and call what was said "libel".
But thank you for saying it was "intellectual honest". I suspect that's not what you meant to say though
The very fact that there is a daily Bush thread on FR is testament to that, nopardons - so you're full of crap for even asking that.
But that apparently isn't enough for the GOP leadership - to ask socons to take a half-step to the left. Now it is demanded by them and folks like you that we move 80 or 90 percent to the left. Even though a lot of the issues stated about Bush in 1999 and 2000 ended up coming to pass - especially his compassionate conservatism, where he is compassionate by massively increasing the size of the federal government.
When does it end? At what point will the GOP cease to differentiate itself from the Dems and there is no reason to care, and it all becomes a battle over who gets to control the allocation of the swag?
Of course, it will never be the leadership's fault for not giving large segments of the base reason to vote, let along volunteer or donate.
Exccellent stuff. Add to that the corruption and the lack of spending restraint and you have the *thumping* of 2006
So is just about every other Republican candidate for president.
Every "plus" you can list for Rudy yields no distinct advantage over just about any other Republican candidate. And when you turn to the minuses, well . . . . let's just say, charitably, that Rudy is to the left of some Democratic candidates.
And I have yet to hear the Giuliani Groupies' fact-based case for the laughable assertion that only he can fight the war on terror.
It's called "laying the groundwork."
Any time now, Keyes will *have* to enter the race to save the GOP, you see?
Funny, the most recent FR poll doesn't indicate that. Despite massive spamming by non-members, Hunter still outpolls Rudy 2-1.
Brilliant. "Dr. Keyes" is famous only as the political loser who foisted Obama upon the nation. His campaigns are roadmaps on how to alienate the middle.
Shocked, tho not surprised, that you would post his words here with no ironic intent.
Yes, his old pals, such as SCALIA and ROBERTS!
You have no imagination at all (unless it's the silly assertion that only Rudy can fight terrorism--then it's a full bore delusion).
Duncan Hunter 59.3% 2,988
Rudy Giuliani 28.7% 1,446
It somehow involves having a pro-war pubbie run leftward when Dems and Indies are more anti-war with each passing week.
And running as a pro-amnesty candidate when opposition to amnesty and rampant illegal immigration crosses party lines.
While forsaking the Dem and Indy crossover vote for a pro-life and pro-gun candidate.
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it? But, then again, these same people think Rudy's a conservative...
Why don't you find one post where I've said that, since you are so positive that that is my position.
I can wait while you find one.
Save your bon mots for your fellow liberal Rudy-supporters. They're easily impressed.
Oh my goodness! LOOL
Oh my goodness! LOL
Keyes will save us?! What is it about that sentence that I find so humorous? Oh, yea, that's it; everything!
On DU or KOS you will find Dennis Kucinich outpolling Hillary.
And if one of those candidates wins the nomination - they will get the Rudy supporters votes. As it stands now - it doesn't look like any of the other candidates is garnering much support.
The cognitive dissonance is deafening. The Rudybots claim (falsely) that the reason that Giuliani is against the Federal Marriage Amendment, against the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, against the Human Life Amendment, against the Defense of Marriage Act, and for various local gun control and confiscation policies is because he is against the Federal Government getting involved in such things and leaving it to the states. Now you say that he is FOR the No Child Left Behind legislation and that it is "good law" wherein the Federal Government DOES get involved in state and local education issues.
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