[MadIvan]

This poll will not shut the Rudybots up.

Speaking for myself, presently a supporter of Giuliani - the more you demand people like me shut up, the more determined I become to fling defiance right back in your face.

You will not silence me nor the others. Don't presume you can.

Ivan

[Enosh]

I demand nothing of you.

I merely laugh.

Regards,

[Pox]

If Hunter wins the Republican nomination, would you still support Hunter, or would you (hypothetically speaking) 'sit it out', or worse yet, vote for a dem?

I get the feeling you wish you could vote in our elections. :)

[EternalVigilance]

You will not silence me nor the others. Don't presume you can.

You may be a long time FReeper in good standing, Ivan, but your loud interference in our political process at some point becomes unseemly, IMO, seeing how you're not an American. Especially when the noise you're making is in favor of a guy to the left of your current Labor Party Prime Minister.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Well, Hell, we can wrap him up and ship him over there to you, if you like!

[highlander_UW]

If you remove that nutcase that is the mayor of London maybe we'll lend you Rudy for a bit to clean the place up.

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetings MadIvan:

While not a Mayor Giuliani fan, we all lose when we insult each other, rather than discussing the pros and cons of the candidates.

Cheers,
OLA

[George W. Bush]

the more you demand people like me shut up, the more determined I become to fling defiance right back in your face.

Fling. Defiance. In our faces?

I know it's Friday night but more think, less drink, please.

[paulat]

You will not silence me nor the others. Don't presume you can.

LOL!! I am on record as saying Gore will be the one on the Dems:

I will go on record now. I think he has 2008 locked up. 4 posted on 07/30/2006 8:38:13 PM PDT by paulat

I haven't endorsed yet...but these other folk sure are turning us off with their vitriol.....

[narses]

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

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[BlackbirdSST]

Speaking for myself, presently a supporter of Giuliani - the more you demand people like me shut up, the more determined I become to fling defiance right back in your face. You will not silence me nor the others. Don't presume you can. Ivan

You don't get a VOTE! Run your yap as much as you care to. pffft. Blackbird.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

You will not silence me nor the others.

That's nice, however as a lifelong resident of the Northeast USA I'm sick of these type of politicians. The term for RINO in New York State is Rockefeller Republican and that's exactly what Giuliani is. He may be a nice guy but conservatives got better choices than him.

[texicali]

touche MI:)

[BillyBoy]

I have no problem with the Rudy supporters on FR making their case that he's our best candidate to "beat Hillary".

But, as I said before, I simply think you're being hypocritical when you loudly refused to support the British Conservative Party when THEY choose a candidate who was "too liberal", but you're arguing WE should nominate Rudy. If you're look at post #270, Giuliani is certainly to the LEFT of David Cameron (for starters, at least Cameron supports hunting & gaming rights in England, while Rudy's a gun grabber). Rudy would be a Tony Blair clone at best.

YES, the methods in which political parties nominate candidates are different over there. YES, the way government is organized and who welds power is different over there.

HOWEVER, it's the same basic fact in BOTH countries that the next person running the country will be from one of TWO political parties. If Labour nominates "Gordon Brown" in England, your next Prime Minister will be Brown or Cameron. That's it... one or the other, no conservative "third party" will ever win enough seats to run government, that Charles Kennedy from the "Liberal Democrats" will never be prime minister no matter how many good candidates he runs, etc., etc. Any vote not cast for Cameron's team will be a vote to put Brown in charge. In fact, your protest vote for a minor conservative third party will be lucky to net 2% of the votes in England. Same thing here, IF the Republicans pick Rudy, the choice will be between Rudy or a commie Democrat. I would rather the GOP does not pick Rudy, because then the next President of the U.S. is guranteed to be a liberal no matter what happens, due to the "third parties never run the government" rule.

IF the Democrats nominated "Hillary" (and that's a big IF, I personally think she too polerizing to get the nod), and the only alternative is Rudy, I would probably hold my nose and support Rudy. But under NO circumstancse will I ever encourage Republicans to nominate Rudy, just as I would not NEVER encourage conservatives in Engladn to nominate Cameron for party leader (too late now, though, isn't it?) But given the choice between Cameron and Brown, I guess I'd have to vote Conservative MP even with a CINO idiot heading the party.

The truth is Rudy already HAD his chance to "beat Hillary" in own turf, and defeat her to represent New York in the U.S. Senate. His popularity is far greater in his own state, but he tucked his tail between his legs and ran away. Now he wants to sell the idea he can beat her nationally because he was mayor of the largest city. I don't buy it. Imaging Ken Livingston announcing a bid to be the next Prime Minister.

Finally, it's just a pointless race between a unless left-wing Democrat and a useless left-wing "Republican", I have voted third party in the past, and not because I had any delusions that they'd "win". I did so in the last race for Governor in Illinois when I supported the Constitution Party nominee. It was simply a protest vote, a way to send a message to the "main" parties that we will not support two evils on the ballot. They'd be wise to listen. While I might be willing to hold my nose and support Rudy simply because his opponent is so awful, not every Republican will do the same.

[La Enchiladita]

Speaking for myself, presently a supporter of Giuliani

So what? You're a Brit. Wish you limeys weren't so arrogant...

[ZULU]

Your entitled to express your opinion just as anyone else.

I disagree with you about Rudy though.

Why do you support him?

[Guenevere]

I like and respect you, but you don't have a dog (or a vote) in this hunt :^)

[ilgipper]

Amen, Ivan.

The way many Freepers are acting is actually shoring up my preference for Rudy. I am leaning towards him the first place and my disgust for the way people are acting here is actually strengthening by feelings right now. I am not against anyone in this race at this point (except for McCain, who I believe is unbalanced), and I look forward for a good primary season to sort out our '08 nominee. I will support whoever it is, because any of the GOP candidates are far and away a better option than those in the Dem primary who are falling over each other to appeal to the freakishly bizzare lefties.

[WFTR]

Speaking for myself, presently a supporter of Giuliani - the more you demand people like me shut up, the more determined I become to fling defiance right back in your face.

You're welcome to support whomever you please, but when they come to take your guns, I will be throwing in your face that you brought the loss of that freedom on yourself. When the Democrats extend their lead in Congress because frustrated conservatives didn't bother to vote, I'll fling in your face that a leader would have inspired people to come to vote for him and the members of his party. Likewise, when we end up with Hillary as president because Giuliani couldn't pull enough "swing" voters to overcome the loss of votes from people whose consciences wouldn't let them vote for him, I'll throw back in your face that we could have looked harder for a candidate who could unite the party rather than one who divided the party.

Bill