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Can a Traditional American Conservative Win the Presidency and Secure the Nation and our Liberty?
Vanity Opinion | Feb 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 02/21/2007 6:15:41 AM PST by Jim Robinson

Obviously, the biggest issue for the Democrats in 2008 will be the war. They're betting their entire stake on the hopes that America is fed up with the war dragging on so long, and they're convinced that their big wins in 2006 were due primarily to President Bush's determination to stay the course, versus their own antiwar stance. Hillary is furiously back pedaling trying to distance herself from her own pro war votes as her popularity erodes away and shifts to the up and coming antiwar superstar, Barack "Osama" Obama. And most of the lesser Democrat presidential wannabes are falling all over themselves trying to out coward the front runners. Whomever gets the Democrat nod will be running primarily on the "End the War Now, Bring the Troops Home" ticket.

And, naturally, the Republicans are going to run on the "Fight on to Victory and Secure the Nation" platform. All of the Republican front runners are convinced that they can win on this issue. But, they feel they must pickup some percentage of the Democrat vote and or of the liberal leaning swing vote. So, to varying degrees, the front runners are banking on certain liberal mainstay issues. They're saying they're okay with abortion rights, gay rights, gay unions, gays in the military, gun control, global warming, open borders, illegal alien rights, immigration reform (amnesty), big government entitlement programs or other liberal issues. They seem to be falling all over each other competing for their fair share of the mushy middle vote that may make their day.

So we have one side wrapping up the treasonous antiwar vote (probably around 40% of the total vote) while the other side clearly wraps up the patriotic peace through victory vote (another 40% of the vote). The Democrats will naturally pull in their liberal/socialist base (which is largely the antiwar vote) and the broken glass Republican base will be true to the GOP (their 40% of the vote), although the Christian Right and some of the normally true blue right wing conservatives are growing mighty tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps.

At any rate, what both sides seem to be ignoring in their fight for the mushy middle may be the 2nd most critical issue of all and an overlooked opportunity for the big win. And that is the fact that half or more of all Americans, regardless of party affiliation, are fed up with illegal aliens flooding into our country through our almost non existent border security. And this during time of war.

The borders must be secured. If the war goes on, an insecure border sets us up for terrorists smuggling in weapons that could kill tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of Americans. Dirty bombs, chemical or biological weapons, etc.

Even if the Democrats are successful with shutting down our Iraq war efforts, the terrorists are not going to stop. In fact, they'll be emboldened. And freed from fighting over there, they're bound to bring their efforts here. They're going to continue hating us and wanting to wipe us off the face of the planet regardless of what the Democrats may do.

We must defend the nation. We must defend our national security. We must seal the borders now. And we must get control over who and what is coming into our country.

Also, Americans are tired of paying the costs of the growing flood of illegals. The costs are measured in terms of lost American jobs, costs of educating their children, health care costs, housing, welfare, gang violence, crime, costs of capturing, prosecuting and incarcerating illegal alien criminals, overcrowding crumbling cities and towns degrading into slums and barrios, failure of the illegals to assimilate or even to learn our language. Press one for English.

If I'm not mistaken, most if not all of the front runners of both parties are either soft on illegal immigration or are outright in favor of wide open borders and awarding constitutional "rights" to illegals if not immediate full citizenship. This is a national disgrace. And if not stopped will lead to an erosion of our national sovereignty and or to disastrous terrorist attacks of historic proportions. Again, our nation and our borders must be secured!

I sincerely doubt that any Democrat candidate is going to run on a platform of securing the borders and I don't recall any of our front running Republicans declaring that they will seal the borders either, so now what?

Are there any Republican candidates out there who will step forward and not only pledge to win the war, but also to place the nation on a secure war footing? Secure the nation? Seal and secure the borders?

I believe that a qualified Republican candidate with a solid conservative track record, including a record of fighting for full national security has a shot of overtaking the current weak (conservatively speaking) front runners and winning the Republican nod. I also believe this candidate will win over the cowardly antiwar, pro illegal immigration, liberal Democrat whether it be Hillary, Osama Obama or whomever.

By the way, why are we so eager to give up on our traditional American conservative values and principles? I don't know about you, but I'm not about to give up fighting for God, country, family, life, liberty and our traditional American heritage. Those who wish to merge with the liberals on these critical American issues are in for a rude awakening.

For those of you who do not understand what traditional American conservatism means, I'll lay out what it means to me. Others may think differently, and this won't be all inclusive, but here are some major points that are important to me:

Traditional American conservatives are not going to deny our God. Are not going to give up our guns (without using them first). We're not going to surrender to the abortionists or to the gay rights agenda. We're not going to cave to global warming pseudo science. We're not going to surrender our national sovereignty to terrorists, illegals, the United Nations or to Democrats! We're not going to surrender to tax and spend liberal Democrats or to tax and spend moderate country club Republicans.

We will not surrender to the progressives, socialists or moderates who wish to shove their big government socialist wealth transfer and or perverted social programs down our throats.

We're going to continue defending the nation, defending our national sovereignty, defending our national security, defending our borders, defending our families, defending our constitution, our liberty and our American way of life.

We stand for and defend the constitutionally separated and limited government as envisioned and set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution by the Founding Fathers.

We're going to defend our rights. Our rights to free speech, free religion, freedom of assembly, due process, private property, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not negotiable.

We're going to fight against the activist court. We're going to fight for judges that interpret the constitution according to the straightforward words and definitions as used at the time of the writing and ratification of the document, ie, the original intent.

We are going to fight for stripping the government of its usurpations and expansions from the limited powers enumerated in the constitution.

We stand for and defend our traditional Judeo-Christian God centered American conservative society and family values system.

We believe we were all created equal by our Creator and are endowed with certain unalienable rights, including the rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness, and we intend to defend same.

We believe it is the primary responsibility of the just government empowered by our consent to defend these rights. And that whenever government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; bankcard; borders; conservatism; elections; ghostwriter; homosexualagenda; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; momentum; moralabsolutes
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To: MadIvan; SoCalPol
Talking about defense of the borders as a sole issue makes it sound like every day is one spent under siege.

Come live in San Diego and see for yourself.

I dare you.

201 posted on 02/21/2007 8:38:46 AM PST by b9 ("America is great because America is good." ~ Duncan Hunter)
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To: Antoninus

I think it depends on if its Rudy vs Hillary or Rudy vs Richardson. I for one would rather vote Rudy and see the party dissolve than allow that traitorous witch into the WH.


202 posted on 02/21/2007 8:39:09 AM PST by pissant
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To: Registered
Something most rabid Hunter supporters won't do if another candidate wins the GOP nomination.

Again, that's a lie. I for one will support practically any of the GOP possibilites--except Rudy. He's anathema.

Stop misrepresenting Hunter supporters as third party whacks. It's not true and you know it.
203 posted on 02/21/2007 8:40:41 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: pissant

Too many FReepers underestimate Hunter. I predict in 6 months, he will lead the pack!


204 posted on 02/21/2007 8:40:58 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Well, I predict in 6 months he will replace McCain as one of the big 3. Romney and Rudy will still be in the hunt.


205 posted on 02/21/2007 8:42:41 AM PST by pissant
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To: doodlelady
I'm sure that is a very important issue for your city and for people all along the border with Mexico. However, a national campaign for President is very rarely built upon one issue.

Regards, Ivan

206 posted on 02/21/2007 8:43:17 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Jim Robinson
..many of us have grown since the late '90s

We are not so easily swayed by oratory (Keyes) or anger (Buchanan)

But some things remain--voting principle over pragmatism. And a very healthy skepticism concerning MSM or Party created or "anointed" candidates...

207 posted on 02/21/2007 8:44:20 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: pissant; azcap

Oh, I agree that Gilmore is going nowhere.

And I'm a Virginian.


208 posted on 02/21/2007 8:45:28 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (If you don't support their mission, you don't support the troops.)
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To: pissant
I for one would rather vote Rudy and see the party dissolve than allow that traitorous witch into the WH.

Having seen what happens when northeastern RINOs get into power up close and personal here in New Jersey, I disagree. While I'd never pull the lever for a Democrat (unlike our liberal RINO friends), I similarly will not help liberal Republicans dismantle the national GOP the way they have done in New Jersey. With RINOs in power, there's no one to oppose their liberal agenda. At least with a Democrat in power, the GOP is forced to oppose them out of sheer political expediency.
209 posted on 02/21/2007 8:45:47 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: joylyn
There is no such thing as a generic "real American." My sense of this crop of candidates is that Giuliani is the stealth conservative. He is libertarian, even liberal, on some issues.

I'm REALLY getting sick of people calling Rudy a libertarian. A gun-grabber who is quoted as saying "Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do." is the absolute antithesis of libertarianism. 180 degrees.

210 posted on 02/21/2007 8:46:20 AM PST by jmc813 (Rudy Giuliani as the Republican nominee is like Martin Luther being Pope.)
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To: WalterSkinner; Jim Robinson

Amen. And anyone who thinks that Hunter is a fringer like Bauer or Keyes is gonna be in for a rude awakening. :o)


211 posted on 02/21/2007 8:46:51 AM PST by pissant
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To: Corin Stormhands

LOL.


212 posted on 02/21/2007 8:47:27 AM PST by pissant
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To: WalterSkinner
We are not so easily swayed by oratory (Keyes) or anger (Buchanan)

With all due respect to both of those fellows, Duncan Hunter is 10 times the candidate that either of them turned out to be. He's actually been elected to office. He was Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. He knows the military inside and out. He's a decorated Vet himself. His son is an Iraq war vet. And he's got a strong "average guy" pedigree.
213 posted on 02/21/2007 8:48:56 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: pissant

Agreed, but once the nations Republicans discover Rudy's REAL record(many think he is a conservatve for some reason)
Rudy will slide downhill.


214 posted on 02/21/2007 8:49:40 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
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To: Antoninus

Winning the WOT is more important than saving the GOP. From the ashes someone will rise.

But I'll worry about all of that next year. I, Like you, am going to do everything humanly possible to avoid that choice in the first place.


215 posted on 02/21/2007 8:49:41 AM PST by pissant
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To: Hydroshock

"First step is to put down the rinos"

216 posted on 02/21/2007 8:49:48 AM PST by TheeOhioInfidel (ATTENTION: DUNCAN HUNTER WOULD PARDON THE TEXAS 3.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

He will slide, but not until Hunter tears him a new one in the debates. Too many conservatives, or should I say republicans, get giddy around Rudy regardless of his record. Bill bennett and Sean Hannity need to wear bibs when they see Rudy.


217 posted on 02/21/2007 8:51:29 AM PST by pissant
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To: Jim Robinson

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/96/me961013.html

A new cheer for Rudy!

"EO124 - Rudy won't close that door!"

Records speak for themselves.....;-)


218 posted on 02/21/2007 8:52:21 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Jim Robinson

bttt for later read...


219 posted on 02/21/2007 8:54:30 AM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: pissant
Winning the WOT is more important than saving the GOP. From the ashes someone will rise.

We can't win the WOT if we rot out our country from within. We'll just continue to win battles for a while as Islam progresses by sheer demographics. If the US becomes a rotten PC socialist shell like Western Europe is currently, there will be little left worth fighting for.

But I'll worry about all of that next year. I, Like you, am going to do everything humanly possible to avoid that choice in the first place.

On that, we're agreed. Let's make sure we have a real choice in 2008!
220 posted on 02/21/2007 8:54:43 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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