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Giuliani's problem with the religious [large graphics]

Posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson

I don't know about you, but I doubt the Christian conservatives throughout the red state farm belt and especially down in the South are going to cotton to a liberal New York Yankee coming down to try to clean up crime by taking their guns and bringing abortion and gay unions (gay marriage) into their families, schools and churches.



TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: demographics; elections; giuliani; rudy; rudy2008
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To: Jim Robinson
'Twould seem the Rudy supporters would like to throw us a bone and claim that Rudy will nominate conservative justices.

But I don't buy it. We can't expect a guy to change his core beliefs because he has moved up the ladder a few steps.

It ain't personal, just sound politics.

21 posted on 02/18/2007 4:24:14 PM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: Mount Athos
Darn tootin'. The pro life and liberty conservative that comes out hard blasting for border security and against illegal immigration should get the nod. This is the clear choice between the social liberal in the primary and the socialist butcher Hillary Clinton in the general. Give us a no nonsense hard as nails conservative winner for a change!

End the war by defeating the enemy!!
Secure the borders!!
Stop pandering to illegal aliens and their enablers!!
Rebuild our defenses!
Cut government!!
Cut spending!!
Cut taxes!!
Let the free economy soar!!
Stop pandering to gay rights and abortionists groups!!

Keep America safe and secure by defending our borders our defending our individual constitutional rights!!
22 posted on 02/18/2007 4:24:46 PM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not to burst your bubble Jim, but should ever be in the neighborhood I'll be happy to introduce you to the congregation of an evangelical church in the Dallas area where you'll find that Rudy is by far the most popular candidate.


23 posted on 02/18/2007 4:25:18 PM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Enosh
Single issue voters need a good butt whipping, an hour of contemplation in the corner wearing a dunce hat and made to eat burnt Brussels sprouts.
24 posted on 02/18/2007 4:25:33 PM PST by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: M. Thatcher
There are more of us than you think.

Actually, not.

I know your ideas are widespread.

That does not make my claim false. A pro-life Rudybot is an oxymoron.

25 posted on 02/18/2007 4:28:38 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks Jim, I love seeing the red color of San Diego County, Duncan Hunter's home County


26 posted on 02/18/2007 4:28:42 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: Enosh
A pro-life Rudybot

Keep it up. Please.

27 posted on 02/18/2007 4:29:48 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher
"Now that is one fine oxymoron. Actually, not. There are more of us than you think."

Damn Straight. And anyone who starts calling me a liberal because Rudy is my choice would do well to

a. Read my analysis a few posts above this one, and

b. Read my homepage

before doing something rash that will lead me to eviscerate them (metaphorically speaking).

This is deadly serious business. If we allow the Islamofascists to take over the Middle East and Europe, not to mention infiltrate the Western hemisphere, our very survival is at stake and what your personal beliefs on 'social issues' are will be something you will be able to keep on discussing in jail or on your way to be beheaded...

28 posted on 02/18/2007 4:30:00 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Melas

And I'll be sure to introduce them to the real Rudolph Giuliani. The abortionist, gay union (same thing as gay marriage) gun grabbing New York Yankee.


29 posted on 02/18/2007 4:30:54 PM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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To: Jim Robinson

So Jim, do you plan to stay home if its Rudy vs. Clinton?


30 posted on 02/18/2007 4:31:45 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Melas

Not to burst your bubble Melos, but according to a recent poll, when Republicans learn Rudy's liberal stands on social issues, his support drops significantly.


31 posted on 02/18/2007 4:31:50 PM PST by TAdams8591
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To: Al Simmons

Absolutely not. I intend to see Rudy defeated in the primary!!


32 posted on 02/18/2007 4:33:00 PM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
Emmett Tyrrell on Rudy Giuliani:

The 'logic' of those refusing to vote for Rudy:

Rudy is a too 'liberal' 'New Yorker' so they will place their de facto vote for missus clinton, a Stalinist New Yorker, albeit fake, (fake New Yorker, not fake Stalinist), who

• as one-half of the 'twofer,' is the proximate cause of 9/11,

• is an abuser of women in her own right,

• is avidly pro-abortion,

• would nominate justices in the mold of Ruth Bader Ginsburg,

• would resume clinton sale of our nuclear secrets and mineral rights to the enemy,

• would sic the IRS and the clinton 'secret police' on all opponents and critics,

• would nationalize healthcare,

• would decimate the military,

• would reinstitute the clinton policy of ignoring of terrorism,

• would raise taxes...

• even as she and her rapist husband rake in millions in quid pro quos for their slush fund foundation,

• would confiscate profits, end capitalism, if she could, etc., etc.

It does the conservative cause no good to become petulant and self-destructive.

Do conservatives really want

• a Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court instead of an Alito, Roberts or Scalia?

• marginalization, if not worse, of their religious beliefs?

• a return to the amorality, immorality and corruption of the clinton years?

• and G-d knows what depth of failure in the War on Terror?

I find it hard to believe that those people aren't able to discern the difference between Giuliani and Clinton. Frankly, if true, it is frightening.

I am advocating for Giuliani not because of his ideology. I am advocating for him because I believe he possesses the qualities that this country desperately needs in these perilous times... and because I believe he, unlike all the others, will win.

33 posted on 02/18/2007 4:33:16 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: labette
But I don't buy it. We can't expect a guy to change his core beliefs because he has moved up the ladder a few steps.

It has nothing to do with someone's core beliefs. You can be pro-choice and support a state's right to regulate and outlaw abortion.
34 posted on 02/18/2007 4:33:23 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Melas

Heck yeah. I had jury duty this week in a very conservative county and as we sat for hours waiting to be called, they are mad as hell at republicans. But they did like Rudy (both dems and repubs).

I want us to win. We have to to stop the slide to socialism. Whatever it takes. If we can't stop it, we must slow it down til we can.

I'll vote Rudy or Mitt unless a conservative arrives that can win.


35 posted on 02/18/2007 4:34:05 PM PST by debg
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To: Jim Robinson

No chance of throwing a social conservative from FR into the primary pot?


36 posted on 02/18/2007 4:34:30 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Jim Robinson
Absolutely not. I intend to see Rudy defeated in the primary!!

I wish everyone who claims to be conservative would adopt that attitude. It doesn't have to be Rudy vs. Hillary in the general.

37 posted on 02/18/2007 4:34:49 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Enosh

a pro-life Ronald Reagan provided 2 out of his 3 SCOTUS picks - pro-Roe. pro-life Bush 41 was 1 out of 2.

republicans don't nominate anti-Roe judges, they can't be confirmed anyway. they appoint constitutionalists (when they get it right, as Bush 43 has).


38 posted on 02/18/2007 4:35:45 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Jim Robinson
OK. I have nothing against those supporting other primary candidates.

What I have a problem with are the "my-way-or-the-highway" anti Rudy-bots, who say that if he gets the nomination they'll stick their heads in the sand and not vote.

I will vote for ANY GOP nominee against ANY 'Rat.

I have NEVER voted for a Rat, but I have also NEVER stayed home - even in 1992 when I was plenty mad at GHWB.

And I would hope that those of you planning to vote for other candidates in the primaries can say the same.

39 posted on 02/18/2007 4:36:08 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Jim Robinson

There is now evidence that many Republicans do not know what Rudy really stands for. With all the time we have left, Rudy cannot count on this to last.


40 posted on 02/18/2007 4:36:12 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Reagan would vote for Hunter)
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