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Giuliani's problem with the religious [large graphics]

Posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson

I don't know about you, but I doubt the Christian conservatives throughout the red state farm belt and especially down in the South are going to cotton to a liberal New York Yankee coming down to try to clean up crime by taking their guns and bringing abortion and gay unions (gay marriage) into their families, schools and churches.



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KEYWORDS: demographics; elections; giuliani; rudy; rudy2008
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To: Peach

Ronald Reagan's conservative son, Michael, thinks it's time Republicans drop the litmus tests and thinks Rudy wuold make a good president.

Michael: "The same is true of Rudy Giuliani. On every major issue, he is a solidly conservative and extraordinarily adept executive, but because he backs abortion and some form of gun control, America’s mayor -- the hero of 9/11 and the man who did the impossible by cleaning up New York -- is all but ruled out as a 2008 candidate."

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1786011/posts


241 posted on 02/18/2007 5:37:02 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: LtdGovt

That is what I was talking about. Nothing in the beliefs of a Rudy Giuliani prevents him from supporting returning the issue of abortion to the states.


How much political capital do you think he will expend to overturn Roe?


242 posted on 02/18/2007 5:37:19 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Liz; RonDog; ElkGroveDan; Enterprise

Over here.


243 posted on 02/18/2007 5:38:19 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: freedomfiter2

if you look at the polls analytically - they will tell you that formula won't get it done in 2008.

Bush maximized turnout and margin amongst the base in 2004. We won by one state. Had Bush won in 2004 with 45 states, these "top 3" candidates in the primaries now, wouldn't even be in the race.

Hispanics are going more Dem, so is Generation Y (young voters). Put Richardson on the Dem ticket, add new turnout amongst young single women voting for Hillary, add dissatisfaction with Iraq amongst Independents - tell me where we go to get the votes to overcome that, using the same formula Bush used in 2004?

The numbers are just not there.


244 posted on 02/18/2007 5:38:32 PM PST by oceanview
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To: OMalley
"I wish i could say what I really think of you right now, but it would get me banned."

Oh please, PLEASE do. It would give me the chance to practice a devastating, non-banning-type response. Or do you just have an aversion (fear) to being up front with someone you know can run rings around you? Read my home page. I'm ALWAYS right up front. Bring it on. I am sure if you try you might be able to form an argument without calling names. I can.

245 posted on 02/18/2007 5:38:32 PM PST by Al Simmons (Personal Realtionship w/God = Mind-control technique partly designed to inhibit critical thinking)
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To: MamaB

He seems to stand for everything I voted against Joe Schwarz for.


246 posted on 02/18/2007 5:38:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Melas

OK. Thanks, Melas.


247 posted on 02/18/2007 5:38:32 PM PST by jla
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To: Al Simmons
A. Rudy is not a liberal in the 'Rat sense - he is as conservative as Reagan on the economy and as anti-Islamofascists as GWB;

Ronald Reagan never supported taking taxpayer money to pay for other people killing unborn babies. Is that now a conservative tenet?

248 posted on 02/18/2007 5:39:19 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Vote for Duncan!)
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To: Peach

Newt Gingrich on Rudy:

"New York is four times safer than it used to be. It's one of the greatest achievements of government capability in the 20th century. And Rudy just has to go out and say, 'This is who I am. If you think the world's dangerous, and you need a tough guy … that's me.' "
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1786270/posts


249 posted on 02/18/2007 5:39:23 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

As George Will said on “This Week,” “His eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly." Giuliani, more than any other candidate (Romney comes the closest) has the record of taking on major institutions and reforming them. Think about tourist magnet that is New York now. When Rudy Giuliani took office, 59% of New Yorkers said they would leave the city the next day if they could. Under Rudy Giuliani’s leadership as Mayor of the nation’s largest city, murders were cut from 1,946 in 1993 to 649 in 2001, while overall crime – including rapes, assaults, burglary and auto-thefts – fell by an average of 57%. Not only did he fight crime in Gotham like Batman, despite being constantly vilified by the New York Times, he took head on the multiculturalism and victimization perpetuated by Al Sharpton and his cohort of race baiters. He ended New York’s set-aside program for minority contractors and rejected the idea of lowering standards for minorities. As far as the economy goes, Rudy reduced or eliminated 23 city taxes. He faced a $2.3 billion budget deficit but cut spending instead hiking taxes.

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/dmeaton/2007/feb/04/achieving_socially_conservative_ideals_through_liberal_means_making_the_case_for_rudy


250 posted on 02/18/2007 5:39:41 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Calpernia

Calpernia, you're a he again. *giggle*


251 posted on 02/18/2007 5:40:03 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Calpernia

I can't help it, I giggled when I saw your animation.

Tee Hee... =-)


252 posted on 02/18/2007 5:40:09 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Peach

Ronald Reagan appointed Rudy as his #3 man at the Department of Justice.

Rudy won the Ronald Reagan Freedom Award.

At the Reagan Library Gift Shop, all but 3 of the books sold under the "Ronald Reagan Book" section are about Reagan himself or presidential modes of transportation.

Rudy Giuliani's book Leadership is one of those 3 books.

The other 2 are written by Reagan's son and McCaslin.


253 posted on 02/18/2007 5:40:25 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Calpernia

Very good. A sense of humor is a good start.


254 posted on 02/18/2007 5:40:29 PM PST by Al Simmons (Personal Realtionship w/God = Mind-control technique partly designed to inhibit critical thinking)
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To: processing please hold
Maybe Mickey Mouse. :-)

I'd vote for Mickey, he's black, seems conservative. Did he ever marry Minnie?

255 posted on 02/18/2007 5:40:38 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: freedomfiter2

we need a single constitutionalist SCOTUS appointment for either Ginsburgs or Stevens seat, to accomplish that. JUST ONE. Rudy could accomplish that.


256 posted on 02/18/2007 5:40:59 PM PST by oceanview
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To: DCPatriot; NapkinUser
"Among the GOP candidates to date, the only one that instills a determination to carry on the WOT and/or confront a nuclear Iran is Rudy Giuliani."

Mitt Romney holds some of the most hawkish, anti-jihadist positions among the top-tier candidates; especially against Iran as revealed in his major foreign policy speech delivered at the Herzliya, Israel Security Conference. Romney was the only candidate who traveled to Israel to attend the conference and speak.

Please listen to the short video clips about Iran and see if you like what you hear from Mitt Romney.

Romney: On Why Wishful Thinking on Iran is Wrong
On Confronting the Iran Threat: A 5-Point Plan
Concluding Remarks on the Iran Threat (Israeli remarks at end are key)

Mitt Romney had to manage the first Olympic Games in a post-9/11 world just five months after the attacks. Complex and costly security arrangements for the huge international event were a major part of the challenge of turning around the 2002 Salt Lake Winter Olympics. That counts for something in real world management experience with the WOT.

Finally, there is a personal example showing how Romney feels about Iran’s leadership. It was Mitt Romney that denied Massachusetts state police protection to Iran’s former President Khatami when he visited Boston to speak at Harvard. Romney thought it was a mistake to invite Khatami to the U.S.

257 posted on 02/18/2007 5:41:02 PM PST by Unmarked Package (Amazing surprises await us under cover of a humble exterior.)
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To: freedomfiter2
How much political capital do you think he will expend to overturn Roe?

Surely you jest, Rudy thinks Roe is both good and settled law.

259 posted on 02/18/2007 5:41:28 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Vote for Duncan!)
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To: silentreignofheroes

I will definately check out if we do a write-in on our ballots. Ashamed to say I hadn't thought of that.


260 posted on 02/18/2007 5:42:33 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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