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Giuliani's problem with the religious [large graphics]

Posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson

I don't know about you, but I doubt the Christian conservatives throughout the red state farm belt and especially down in the South are going to cotton to a liberal New York Yankee coming down to try to clean up crime by taking their guns and bringing abortion and gay unions (gay marriage) into their families, schools and churches.



TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: demographics; elections; giuliani; rudy; rudy2008
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To: TAdams8591

"Ya know I am as ardently anti-Rudy as all you. But because I support Mitt, I have been removed from all your ping lists. Nice people you all are."

I never did that. I'll support any republican candidate that is not Giuliani or Hagel.

If you want on my ping list, just say so.


101 posted on 02/18/2007 4:56:01 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Excellent graphics.

Thanks for the post, Jim.


102 posted on 02/18/2007 4:56:54 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support, promote or vote for liberals.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, the next ten years are going to be a watershed decade for the United States.

Religious voters must choose between Hillary Clinton and whoever is running against her.

Among the GOP candidates to date, the only one that instills a determination to carry on the WOT and/or confront a nuclear Iran is Rudy Giuliani.

I'm not the least bit worried about the government taking away guns, because there would be a civil war right here at home in such an event.

The 2nd Amendment is as safe as a woman's right to choose.

To demand a candidate pass a litmus test by the Religious Right is dangerous at this time.

The Islamic radical issue will grow to crisis stage with a nuclear Iran. We saw how the other Clinton negotiated with China and North Korea.

I know that there is still 2 years left for President Bush to deal with Iran, but the anti-war, treasonous democrats leave me pessimistic.

103 posted on 02/18/2007 4:56:59 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Jim Robinson

Where's your conservative who can win?
I don't see one.


104 posted on 02/18/2007 4:57:00 PM PST by debg
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To: CindyDawg

Why can't we have a candidate that stands for a majority of conservative values, not just one or two? It's about a whole lot more than just the WOT or abortion.


105 posted on 02/18/2007 4:57:25 PM PST by FReepapalooza
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To: Jim Robinson

the catch-22 that will arise there - is that the party will see that they can not win without them, but they also cannot win with ONLY them.

so what happens in the future? how do you cater to a base, that can't win you the Presidency on its own, but refuses to be part of a coalition that can?

its a recipe for being in the political wilderness for the next 20 years, which will bring the US into socialism and a whole list of other bad things.


106 posted on 02/18/2007 4:57:33 PM PST by oceanview
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To: NapkinUser

Thank you much! : )


107 posted on 02/18/2007 4:57:48 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Rudy is a democrat in Republican drag.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

#98 - Well stated.


108 posted on 02/18/2007 4:58:01 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
OK. But please don't stay home on election day.

P.S. LOVE your Freeper name!

109 posted on 02/18/2007 4:58:13 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: M. Thatcher
It's a winning strategy...for my side.

You wish me to be naughty so that you seem nice in way of comparison?

How Clintonesque.

110 posted on 02/18/2007 4:58:32 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: NapkinUser

bttt


111 posted on 02/18/2007 4:58:36 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: processing please hold

There are times in life when one must take a stand, even if it means a potentially distasteful outcome. I will not be voting for a RINO, even if that means Hillary. Sorry, but I will sit home. I believe far greater damage could easily be done under a faux "Republican" administration than combating a known political enemy.

Can't you write a name in,,,we still use paper here..


112 posted on 02/18/2007 4:58:42 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
As for guns I agree with you that Rudy is no Chuck Heston, but he'll certainly be more pro-2nd Amendment than any Democrat.

He grabbed guns and led the fight to try and sue gun manufacterers out of business. Hard for any other liberal in either party to top his anti-Second Amendment "credentials."

113 posted on 02/18/2007 4:58:43 PM PST by EternalVigilance (“Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God.”)
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To: All

When it becomes a "hate crime" for you or your preacher to speak out against the gay agenda or abortion, or for God to have no place whatsoever in your public life, then you may wish you had not allowed the gay/abortionist lobby to take over and had never allowed Rudy to register or take your guns.


114 posted on 02/18/2007 4:59:08 PM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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To: Graybeard58; Obadiah
The lesser of two evils is still evil isn't it?

Unfortunately, there are many FReepers who don't consider the murder of babies, the abandonment of six thousand years of Judeo-Christian culture and the denial of our Second Amendment rights to be evil.

115 posted on 02/18/2007 4:59:18 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Beagle8U
"I will vote for ANY GOP nominee against ANY 'Rat" So, If Hillary had an R after her name she would get you vote? The issues mean nothing to you?"

No. Its simply an acknowledgement that today there are NO Democrats (at least where I live) that I could support in my wildest dreams.

116 posted on 02/18/2007 4:59:31 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
As for guns I agree with you that Rudy is no Chuck Heston

LOL...ya think?

117 posted on 02/18/2007 4:59:42 PM PST by EternalVigilance (“Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God.”)
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To: Graybeard58

Thanks Greybeard.

It took a lot to finally put that to the keys.


118 posted on 02/18/2007 5:01:18 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: DCPatriot
"Among the GOP candidates to date, the only one that instills a determination to carry on the WOT and/or confront a nuclear Iran is Rudy Giuliani."

That is a complete load of bull. Every republican candidate except for Hagel, Paul and maybe Brownback support the war on terror. There is zero evidence as to which one would prosecute it the best.
119 posted on 02/18/2007 5:01:47 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: Al Simmons
I have rationally considered him and came to the conclusion that he supports what I'm against. Why would I vote for a man that?

If he's the nominee, me and mine will stay home and not vote.

Its just I think Rudy has the best chance to win in November.

I believe your wrong. Running rudy will split the GOP.

120 posted on 02/18/2007 5:02:08 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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