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Do they really think we are that stupid to fall for this? The snows of Kilimanjaro are drying up, not melting because the people living on the mountain have slash/burned the entire jungle at its base. All the moisture and humidity is gone from the lowlands around the mountain, so there isn't any water vapor to turn to snow and deposit itself on the mountaintop. They KNOW this is a local event caused completely by changes to the land around the mountain, and yet they try and blame GLOBAL warming for it.

In the Andes they are getting more snow than usual, theories are that the snow is insulating the ice and not allowing it to freeze as deep as it normally would. This again points to percipitation as the main cause, not temperatures. Due to the fact that these things are cyclic, over hundreds of years, (a blink of the eye to the earth) and that there are places where the exact opposite is happeneing this is not a global event but just a local event caused by normal weather patterns.

1 posted on 02/16/2007 6:08:32 AM PST by Abathar
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If it melts, it will be the "Not So Great Andean Glacier", right?


2 posted on 02/16/2007 6:12:31 AM PST by irishtenor (Save the whales. Collect the whole set.)
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Alll that lovely freshwater - they better build a resevoir and some aquaducts to catch as much of it as possible!.


3 posted on 02/16/2007 6:13:44 AM PST by Little Ray
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The principal glacier of the world’s biggest tropical ice-cap could disappear within five years as a result of global warming, one of the world’s leading glaciologists predicted yesterday.

This is supposed to be a bad thing?

HELLLO! We're still coming out of the last ice age, this is what happenes when ice ages end.


6 posted on 02/16/2007 6:15:15 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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in a word, yes..


7 posted on 02/16/2007 6:15:34 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info..)
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Good. Damn thing had it comin'. =)

It killed my father, and beat my mother!

9 posted on 02/16/2007 6:17:21 AM PST by EarthBound (Ex Deo, gratia. Ex astris, scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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Good, only if that means the right and left coasts of the U.S. go underwater. That would "kill" the democrat base and the survivors would have to live in "fly over country" and be confronted with reality and de-programmed by their new friends and neighbors.


10 posted on 02/16/2007 6:17:52 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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I have driven an SUV since the early 70's ~~~~~sob~~~~~~~~ I feel so guilty.
11 posted on 02/16/2007 6:18:13 AM PST by Ditter
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Finally! I cant wait to have the great Andean Valley back to normal.


13 posted on 02/16/2007 6:19:56 AM PST by DainBramage
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Lets see more fresh water and warmer climates..why is this a bad thing?


14 posted on 02/16/2007 6:21:03 AM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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What's the big deal? So what if the glaciers melt? It's not like it's never happened before. Glaciers come and go as time marches on. The whole northern hemisphere was once covered by a glacier a mile thick!.............


15 posted on 02/16/2007 6:23:48 AM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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Save the Glaciers!

Send them a Ice Cube!

16 posted on 02/16/2007 6:25:12 AM PST by Cold Heat
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Well! It sounds to me like South America is polluting itself and creating a problem in the Andes. What a bunch of BS.
18 posted on 02/16/2007 6:26:11 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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I wonder if those glaciers were there when Greenland was a lush farming area inhabited by the Vikings between 1000 & 1300 AD? Or did the glaciers come to the tropic with the mini-ice age that started in 1300?


19 posted on 02/16/2007 6:26:45 AM PST by GreyFriar ( 3rd Armored Division - Spearhead)
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Too bad you can't go on TV and refute these people. It is a shame that 'scientists' go for the money, not the 'science' truly stunning.

I use to love 'Scientific American' as a kid, now it is a liberal rag, what they did to the 'skeptical environmentalist' fellow was disgusting. I am new but have been 'lurking' around here enjoy the space and science stuff.
21 posted on 02/16/2007 6:28:02 AM PST by Roland Hand
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"They KNOW this is a local event caused completely by changes to the land around the mountain, and yet they try and blame GLOBAL warming for it."

You can't inject science and logic into a religious debate.
22 posted on 02/16/2007 6:28:45 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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...So when this doesn't happen, and in 2012 the glacier is still there, do you think it'll be reported?


23 posted on 02/16/2007 6:28:53 AM PST by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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Qori Kalis, its biggest glacier, has receded by at least 0.6 miles (1.1km) since 1963, when the first formal measurements were made from aerial photographs.

We really have no idea what it was doing before 1963 then, do we?

24 posted on 02/16/2007 6:29:51 AM PST by ikka
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Here is the text of Newsweek’s 1975 story on the trend toward global cooling.

It may look foolish today, but in fact world temperatures had been falling since about 1940. It was around 1979 that they reversed direction and resumed the general rise that had begun in the 1880s, bringing us today back to around 1940 levels. A PDF of the original is available here.

A fine short history of warming and cooling scares has recently been produced. It is available here. — D.D.



There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world’s weather. The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic. “A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,” warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, “because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century.”

A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.

To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading. Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points out that the Earth’s average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras – and that the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average. Others regard the cooling as a reversion to the “little ice age” conditions that brought bitter winters to much of Europe and northern America between 1600 and 1900 – years when the Thames used to freeze so solidly that Londoners roasted oxen on the ice and when iceboats sailed the Hudson River almost as far south as New York City.

Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. “Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data,” concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. “Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.”

Meteorologists think that they can forecast the short-term results of the return to the norm of the last century. They begin by noting the slight drop in overall temperature that produces large numbers of pressure centers in the upper atmosphere. These break up the smooth flow of westerly winds over temperate areas. The stagnant air produced in this way causes an increase in extremes of local weather such as droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons and even local temperature increases – all of which have a direct impact on food supplies.

“The world’s food-producing system,” warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA’s Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, “is much more sensitive to the weather variable than it was even five years ago.” Furthermore, the growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it impossible for starving peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as they did during past famines.

Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.


25 posted on 02/16/2007 6:30:03 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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I think that in five or ten years, they will be talking about glaciers forming in other party of the world where none had been before.

These so called scientists who harp about global warming are political scientists in drag.

They are the same ones who harped about the planet freezing, only a couple decades ago, and now that we have moved into a new sun cycle, this talk is likely to begin anew. The historical facts reflect that everyone talks about the weather, and nobody can do a thing about it. Someday, I predict that some idiot will kill us all by trying.

26 posted on 02/16/2007 6:32:06 AM PST by Cold Heat
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Professor Thompson predicted six years ago that the celebrated snows of Kilimanjaro would be gone from Africa’s highest mountain by 2015

I wonder if "Professor" Thompson has looked at a map? Does he realize that Kilimanjaro is on the equator? It tends to be hot there......

28 posted on 02/16/2007 6:33:00 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Just the facts, ma'am)
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