Poll Shows Leftist Liberal Republican Nominee Likely to Split GOP

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[azhenfud]

Just as the title says.

[gidget7]

Many here are, for some unknown reason, willing to allow the media to decide who is going to be in the primary as well as the election. Conservatives are not. I'm with you, I do not get it.

[Antoninus]

Another 25% of Republicans said his views made them less likely to support him, nearly double the proportion who said they made them more likely to support him.

Humor, huh?

[Ingtar]

A moderate republican in the WH with a strong Congress and Senate will not screw over the country anywhere close to what a democrat will do.

But what is being pushed here is a liberal Republican with a weak (or strongly moderate/liberal) Congress. Enough people will stay home rather than vote for Rudy that retaking even the House becomes unlikely. This philosophy wants people to pull the lever for a liberal in the top spot and for the conservatives in the lesser spots. Is that a reasonable thing to expect?

[freedomfiter2]

A moderate republican in the WH with a strong Congress and Senate will not screw over the country anywhere close to what a democrat will do.


Assuming you mean conservative or constitutional by the word strong, we probably won't have that in the house any time soon. We haven't had that in the Senate for at least 50 years. What we have is a house and Senate that want to advance the liberal agenda.

[Constitution Day]

Az -

No offense, but a poll from FR means exactly zero with respect to how the national bloc of GOP voters would vote. Just for starters - the sample size is way too small.

[Antoninus]

Many here are, for some unknown reason, willing to allow the media to decide who is going to be in the primary as well as the election. Conservatives are not. I'm with you, I do not get it.

Some are just sheeple who are easily spooked. Others are wolves pretending to be sheeple. They're generally the ones doing the spooking.

Fortunately, there are still a lot of independent-minded, principled conservatives here.

[Terabitten]

On a state by state basis how did the numbers come out?

Basically, had Perot not run, Bush would've been 40 Electoral Votes closer, but still would not have won the election. There's a good analysis here. Clinton would still have won in the electoral college 281 to 257. So, Bush would've been closer, but not enough to win.

[Zeroisanumber]

Some of us are done with big government types no matter the party designation.

As much lip service as they give "small government", not many FReepers care that much about whether a candidate is pro-big government or not. Witness how many defenders President Bush has in spite of the fact that he's expanded government more than any president since Johnson.

I think that the problem that many conservatives have with Rudy is that they sense that the political pendulum is starting to swing back to the left after 12 years of being on the right. They don't like that, and so they want to put up some Great Conservative Hope like Duncan Hunter to help put the breaks on that.

The problem with that is that in the near future the candidates that are going to get elected are going to be from the Rockefeller/Business wing of the party, not the social conservative side.

[concerned about politics]

Rudy would be the lesser of two evils when compared to Hillary.

Supporting a conservative candidate would be even better.

[Tatze]

Vote for Hillary/Obama, you get a 100% liberal socialist.
Vote for Rudy/McCain, you get a 60-70% liberal.
Vote Third Party or stay home, you get a 100% liberal socialist.

I will vote conservative in the primary, as I hope everyone here will do. In the general, I will hold my nose and vote in order to keep the 100% liberal socialist out of the White House.

Proclaim your unwavering conservative princliples all you want, but reality is that no third party candidate can win, so despite them being on the ballot, either the R or the D on the ballot will be the next President.

I won't like a liberal R, but I'll like it a little more than a socialist D.

[concerned about politics]

You would be giving your vote to Hitlery, then. That is, if she is their nominee.

No, my vote would go to a Conservative. Those who supported Rudy (L) would be responsible for Hillary (L).

[Antoninus]

No offense, but a poll from FR means exactly zero with respect to how the national bloc of GOP voters would vote. Just for starters - the sample size is way too small.

What? By the time all is said and done, the sample size will be over 4,000. Of course, the poll is self-selecting and in no way random, so one must not read too much into the results.

This poll is useful because it gauges the attitude of conservative loyalists and activists who spend time on FR--in other words, people who are very politically aware. It is a harbinger of what could happen to the Republican base once we get closer to the election and people actually start paying attention.

Politics-over-principles Republicans take heed!

[Sloth]

My philosophy, vote for the candidate that continues forward progression for Conservative values, even if it is only 10% momentum it is better than putting the car in reverse.

Pbbbt. As far as I'm concerned, the car has been in reverse my entire life -- it's only a question of how fast.

[CommerceComet]

My philosophy, vote for the candidate that continues forward progression for Conservative values, even if it is only 10% momentum it is better than putting the car in reverse.

This is why I would vote for Rudy in the general election. Until the conservative movement gets its act together and can produce a candidate with a realistic chance, a placeholder is needed. Rudy is better than anyone on the other side.

[tumblindice]

"Rendell was smart enough to get elected governor."
And he wasn't even the `human dynamo' Fritz is!

[freedomfiter2]

I won't like a liberal R, but I'll like it a little more than a socialist D.

We don't have to make that choice now. Find a candidate that best represents what you believe and support him. If he doesn't win the primary, well then you can compromise. There is no reason for a conservative to lower his standards nearly a year before the primaries start.

[Antoninus]

I think that the problem that many conservatives have with Rudy is that they sense that the political pendulum is starting to swing back to the left after 12 years of being on the right.

No, what I don't like is the fact that some are saying that after 12 years of electoral victory, we need to go back to the game plan that led to 40 years of electoral defeat.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

The only important difference between Nazi - ism, Fascism, Communism, Socialism and Liberalism is the spelling, and that the last group hasn't got the brains to figure it out.

- Bill Vance

[Antoninus]

This is why I would vote for Rudy in the general election. Until the conservative movement gets its act together and can produce a candidate with a realistic chance, a placeholder is needed. Rudy is better than anyone on the other side.

Rudy is not a placeholder. He's a liberal. If you like liberalism, vote for him.

I don't and won't.

[zerosix]

Well, DUH, ya think?