[ajolympian2004]

Rudy's 'JoinRudy2008' campaign website -
http://www.joinrudy2008.com/

[Jim Robinson]

Oh, yeah. The GOP "progressive" standard bearer: pro abortion, pro gay rights, pro gun control, pro illigal immigration, pro environmentalism. Go Team!!


Giuliani Addresses Global Warming, Immigration

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1784518/posts

(CNSNews.com) - Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani told a Silicon Valley business group on Monday that he "definitely'' believes in global warming, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. He also praised Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for being a "progressive'' leader on the environment and calling for immigration policies that welcome "people who make contributions" to America's economy.

[CrawDaddyCA]

Conservative Republicans will make a huge mistake if they fail to treat Rudy Giuliani as a serious option for the 2008 presidential nomination.

Sorry, not buying it. Guliani is the definition of RINO, and all the media spin in the past few weeks trying to portray him as a Conservative is laughable.

[texson66]

Bye Bye Rudy! Run for the senate in NY, not POTUS!

[azhenfud]

"Put it this way: Even if Giuliani is unacceptable to the social conservatives who dominate the GOP's base, they ought to give the man his due. No candidate so far in the running has jousted more with their own enemies, and none boasts more victories to his credit, either."

Put it his way: Rudy is on the wrong side of more issues that make up Conservative values than he is aligned with. Forcing Conservatives to choose an abortion advocate and SSM embolder over personal convictions is dangerous territory for the GOP. Someone so opposed to established GOP principle is the LAST thing Republicans need in the WH with a Democrat House & Senate. Are Republicans so naive they'll believe he'll somehow foward our cause?

The elite of the GOP will push Conservatives so far to the left when Conservatives move, the GOP will fall on its arse.

The GOP ought just come right out and admit it no longer embraces conservative values; it will with Rudy.

[SeaBiscuit]

If it comes down to that then not me.. I'll stick to voting for someone who stands for principles, morals and values..even if the know-it-alls say that candidate can't win. I won't face my maker and say my excuse for looking the other way was because I was afraid the other person wouldn't protect me from the Islamothals and I might die.

Better dead than red.. maybe instead of just shouting in the wind and hoping everything will turn out ok, just maybe it's time to give up personal safety..maybe it's time to fight for our principles like our forefathers did.. or what do we have if we don't..

[amigatec]

bttt

[upchuck]

Sorry, I'm a conservative. Therefore I can't consider Rudy for the primary. I don't care what he says and what verbal twists he may make, in his heart and soul he's pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-gun, etc.

Granted, to his credit, he did a super job of cleaning up NYC and was a rock after 9/11. But that doesn't change the hard fact that he is NOT a conservative.

IMHO, the only declared conservative in the race thus far is Duncan Hunter.

Flame away if that will make you feel better.

[Spiff]

But if you really want evidence of Giuliani's credentials as a credible Republican candidate, you need to know only this single fact: In the 1990s, the political left in New York despised him. They demonized him without pause, while peddling hysteria about the calamitous effects his supposedly mean-spirited policies would usher in (but didn't).

Oh really? That's why the Liberal Party of New York endorsed him both times he ran for mayor:

The New York State Liberal Party on Rudy Giuliani:

Some ask, How can the Liberal Party support a candidate who disagrees with the Liberal Party position on so many gut issues? But when the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion.
--N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of R. Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

By the way...To repay the Liberal Party's kindness in putting him over the top and getting him elected, Giuliani named the Liberal Party Chairwoman Fran Reiter as Deputy Mayor. He also appointed Russell Harding, the son of Giuliani's close friend Raymond Harding who also chaired the Liberal Party and was one of Giuliani's closest campaign advisers, to be the City Housing Director. Russell Harding had to leave office upon being arrested by federal law enforcement and charged with conspiracy, fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, receiving child pornography, and possesing child pornography. He was using his official credit card to pay for personal items including a car, 'Sopranos' and 'Sex in the City' DVDs, a trip to Vegas and a helicopter tour of the Grand Canyon. He later pled guilty to the charges and was sentenced to 5 years in prison and forced to repay $367,000 he embezzled from the New York City.

Now, as for Malanga's contention that Giuliani was such a fiscal conservative that all of his social liberalism, draft dodging, and serial adultery are irrelevant, there's the fact that he wasn't all that fiscally conservative either.

Rudy is no fiscal conservative. He's a big government Republican. Rudy got taxes cut $2.0 billion. But that only offset the $1.8 billion tax increase Mayor Dinkins signed off on a few years earlier. A modest $200 million tax cut. Rudy also froze the 12.5% surcharge on high income earners, but he didn't eliminate the surcharge. Nor did Rudy abolish the city income tax structure. Rudy also left NY City saddled with a projected, pre-9/11 deficit of $2.0 billion and a $42 billion debt. Second largest behind the federal government. Rudy also added 15,000 new teachers to the city employment rolls, helping to increase the membership of two of America's largest liberal oraganizations. The National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers. Rudy also took all those savings from the cuts in welfare costs and applied them to other city welfare programs. Really no savings whatsoever. The scope of city services wasn't reduced. In addition, Rudy almost doubled the costs of contractual outsourcing from $3.0 billion to $5.8 billion. He dded 25,000 government employees patronage hires to the city's payroll after promising to cut the work force. And his borrowing practices increased the city's debt burden by 50 percent.

Republicans can and MUST do better than this. We're just scratching the surface on Giuliani's negatives and they go very, very deep. The myth that sprung up around him on 9/11 is not enough to cover for his liberal positions and his personal baggage.

[Spiff]

Giuliani supports Partial Birth Abortion

TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999

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BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

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[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000

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MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000

***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the provision for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

[dirtboy]

But if you really want evidence of Giuliani's credentials as a credible Republican candidate, you need to know only this single fact: In the 1990s, the political left in New York despised him.

So because the left hates him, we're supposed to love him. Gotcha.

[Condor51]

[soccermom]

There is no whitewashing Rudy's personal life, but I do think people tend to over-generalize his abortion and gay rights positions. On abortion, he supports the PBA ban, so long as there is a provision for the life of the mother, which there is. And he has said he would appoint Alito-type judges, so I'm not worried about abortion. I am concerned about him funding stem-cell research. As for gay rights, again, that is a broad issue. Rudy opposes gay marriage, but supports civil unions. I have no problem with civil unions -- so long as they don't force private businesses to treat the union as they would a traditional marriage. For example, I don't think an employer should be forced to pay health benefits for the "domestic partner" -- gay or straight -- of an employee, unless he chooses to. I am very confident in Rudy's ability to fight the War on Terror, so I think, in that respect, he would be a great president. He wouldn't be my first choice, but I would certainly support him in the general.

[silverleaf]

It might be worth supporting Rudy just to observe him making mincemeat of any democrat he debates. Especially Her Heinous.

[George W. Bush]

It would be more straightforward to give Hillary the GOP nomination. I'm not sure why we should care about the opinion of this fruit in Colorado. He looks like he's in the Rudi camp for the gay marriage payoff.

[George W. Bush]

article: Giuliani also appreciated the critical role that intact families play in maintaining a healthy society with well-adjusted children, even if his own behavior did not always bear this out.

Yeah, that's why he left his wife and notified her through the press announcement. Then he moved in with the two gay guys.

Maybe Rudi should have been more concerned with the welfare of his own family.

[hosepipe]

[ Conservative Republicans will make a huge mistake if they fail to treat Rudy Giuliani as a serious option for the 2008 presidential nomination. ]

Vince is not hitting on all eight cylinders and he's backfiring on politics..
Giuliani is a shape shifter..

Vince obviously needs a political tuneup..

[Ciexyz]

Most interesting.

[dirtboy]

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