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Achieving Socially Conservative Ideals Through Liberal Means: Making The Case for Rudy (2008)
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| February 4, 2007
| D.M. Eaton
Posted on 02/04/2007 11:08:45 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued
Bring on the Rudy in drag pics! (Waves fistful of singles)
To: Clintonfatigued
"Though wrong, voters in general see the fight to protect marriage and value the sanctity of life as an unnecessary government intrusion into their lives (remember the response to Terri Schiavo). Voters in 2008 will be much more interested in being gay (i.e. happy) than with the problem of gays wanting to enjoy all the rights and privileges that heterosexuals do."
I don't think this is true. The worst and most fallacious assumption the GOP could make is that the American people have moved away from a values-based agenda. The truth, as shown through many, many ballot initiatives in 2006, is that if anything voters have moved RIGHT socially. Faith and family seem to be more germaine than ever for the party. As an evangelical and social conservative I'd vote and support Rudy. But he's certainly not my first choice. I'm a Romney guy.
Traditional values absolutely matter in America. Any assumption to the contrary is beltway delusion.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:12:55 AM PST
by
Rawlings
(Romney Time!)
To: new yorker 77; neverdem; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Kuksool; HitmanLV; GeorgefromGeorgia; ...
This is an interesting argument, and there is some logic to it. While I'm not advocating voting for Guiliani (I'm undecided), I do think that conservatives who rule out voting for him without much reflection and study of his accomplishments are short-sighted.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:13:03 AM PST
by
Clintonfatigued
(If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
To: Clintonfatigued
Using the logic of this thing, I should vote Democrat and get lots of conservatism. Good grief. War is peace. Bad is good.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:14:25 AM PST
by
Luke21
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
LMAO!! Good one.
Guiliani has a goofy sense of humor, and some traditional types dislike zaniness.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:16:19 AM PST
by
Clintonfatigued
(If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
To: Clintonfatigued
Voting for Rino Rudy, a liberal, to advance conservative values is like having sexual intercourse for virginity.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:16:29 AM PST
by
Hydroshock
(Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
LMAO!! Good one.
Guiliani has a goofy sense of humor, and some traditional types dislike over-the-top slapstick. It was a meant to be funny and, in retrospect, a mistake.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:17:17 AM PST
by
Clintonfatigued
(If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
To: Clintonfatigued
Sometimes George Will has it right, and sometimes he has it wrong. THIS TIME he has it wrong.
We can find a CONSERVATIVE candidate who can do anything that Rudy can do, and better.
Rudy is weak on borders; so therefore, would be weak on fighting terrorism.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:17:19 AM PST
by
Sun
(Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
To: Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; Jake The Goose; ...
((((( PING PING PING )))))
Rudy Ping List
Let me know if you want on or off
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:17:54 AM PST
by
BunnySlippers
(SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
To: Clintonfatigued
Sort of risky.....
(though the logic is there).
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:18:14 AM PST
by
Jedi Master Pikachu
( WND, NewsMax, Townhall.com, Brietbart.com, and Drudge Report are not valid news sources.)
To: Clintonfatigued
Who made the Trains run on time in Italy?
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:18:46 AM PST
by
Afronaut
(Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
To: Luke21
Using the logic of this thing, I should vote Democrat and get lots of conservatism. Good grief. War is peace. Bad is good. Me vote for liberal...get conservative...me think this through good
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:19:21 AM PST
by
Vaquero
("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
To: Afronaut
That was very unfair. Not a valid comparison at all.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:19:42 AM PST
by
Clintonfatigued
(If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
To: BunnySlippers
As George Will said on This Week, His eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly." Giuliani, more than any other candidate (Romney comes the closest) has the record of taking on major institutions and reforming them.How could George Will say that? The purists are telling us Rudy isn't conservative at all. LOL
Thanks for the ping. Loved the article.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:20:54 AM PST
by
Peach
(The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
To: Clintonfatigued
Eaton argues his case very well.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:22:44 AM PST
by
sageb1
(This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
To: BunnySlippers
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:25:18 AM PST
by
ken5050
To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Great article.
Unfortunatly it's logic will be wasted on the single issue voters.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:27:36 AM PST
by
Blackirish
(GO BEARS!!!!!!!1)
To: sageb1; Torie; Brilliant; billybob; MineralMan; longtermmemmory; Gay State Conservative; nutmeg
"Eaton argues his case very well."
I think so. If you look at what Guiliani has accomplished, not only as Mayor, but also as U.S. Attorney for New York and in the U.S. Justice Department, it's hard not to wonder if he could accomplish what seems impossible in D.C.
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posted on
02/04/2007 11:29:12 AM PST
by
Clintonfatigued
(If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
To: sageb1
George Will has a typical east coast perspective. To say that fixing New York was the most successful conservative moment in America in the last 50 years is probably true, if you live on 2nd Avenue.
The rest of us might put winning the Cold War, appointing two solid conserative justices, returning America to prosperity and away from 'malise', or even small things like the widespread adoption of right to carry laws (still not happening in NYC) well above helping liberal New Yorkers not suffer too much from the consequences of their own actions.
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