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FOX News Poll: Voters Most Comfortable With Rudy Giuliani as President
FoxNews.com ^ | 2/1/2007 | Dana Blanton

Posted on 02/01/2007 2:30:56 PM PST by Dark Skies

More voters say they would be comfortable with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani as president than other top 2008 contenders, though majorities would also be comfortable with other leaders from both parties, according to the latest FOX News Poll. In addition, of all the 2008 hopefuls — announced or frequently mentioned as a possibility — voters want to hear more from one candidate specifically: Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

Opinion Dynamics Corporation conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from January 30 to January 31. The poll has a 3-point error margin.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


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I really wouldn't be surprised if a majority of Americans feel comfortable with ALL the top-tier candidates in both parties. Gingrich needs to run and derail the leftist crossdresser now (he's probably the only conservative that can beat Giuliani and McCain in the primary.)

On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.




The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

A More Charismatic Version of Arlen Specter

Rudy Giuliani may have many fine qualities, but he is not a conservative, nor has he always been a loyal Republican.

For example, back in the mid-nineties, when he was actually running New York City, Rudy could have fairly been said to have governed as a moderate at best and to the left-of-center at worst:

"The National Journal’s rating system put him at 56 percent conservative and 44 percent liberal on economic issues in 1996 and assessed him as liberal by 59 to 40 percent in looking at his social issues votes."

The New York Observer also had a very interesting selection of quotes from and about Rudy over the years that may give his conservative supporters more than a little pause. Here are a few of those quotations:

Some ask, How can the Liberal Party support a candidate who disagrees with the Liberal Party position on so many gut issues? But when the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion. -- N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of R. Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

Mr. Rockefeller represented "a tradition in the Republican Party I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." -- Rudy Giuliani, New York Times, July 9, 1992

What kind of Republican? Is [Giuliani], for instance, a Reagan Republican? [Giuliani] pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." -- Village Voice, January 24, 1989

"Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, [Giuliani] told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." The Daily News quoted [Giuliani] as saying that March: "Whether you talk about President Clinton, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group."

Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, he explained: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats." -- Rudy - An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett, Page 459

"From my point of view as the mayor of New York City, the question that I have to ask is, 'Who has the best chance in the next four years of successfully fighting for our interest? Who understands them, and who will make the best case for it?' Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo." -- Rudy Giuliani: Emperor of the City, Andrew Kirtzman, Page 133

"[Quite] frankly, you have to understand the fact that Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out. Quite frankly, I predict that he will join the Democratic Party." -- Interview with Michael Long, Chairman N.Y.S., Conservative Party, CNN Crossfire, October 25, 1994

Does this really sound like the sort of candidate we want as a standard bearer for the Republican Party?

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21 posted on 02/01/2007 2:42:34 PM PST by NapkinUser (http://www.teamtancredo.com/)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
reduced crime

Tough on crime usually is code for gun-grabber. I saw nothing about second amendment rights on Giuliani's presidential website last I looked.

23 posted on 02/01/2007 2:45:01 PM PST by NapkinUser (http://www.teamtancredo.com/)
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To: Dark Skies

NOT ME!


24 posted on 02/01/2007 2:45:53 PM PST by JOE43270 (JV43270 God Bless America and ALL WHO HAVE and WILL DEFEND HER.)
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To: Dark Skies

I dunno about "comfortable," but IF he is solid on picking Scalia types for the courts, I'd prefer him over any of the Dems running.


25 posted on 02/01/2007 2:45:54 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Spiff
Spiffy SPAM!
26 posted on 02/01/2007 2:46:26 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: NapkinUser

27 posted on 02/01/2007 2:46:30 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies

Comfortable with an almost Liberal, I don't think so.


28 posted on 02/01/2007 2:46:31 PM PST by tiger-one
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To: Spiff
By itself, a meaningless poll result.

OTOH. Your chart ROCKS! "Tomato & powderblue".

Rudy is no conservative. Just another NYCity liberal.

No thanks.

29 posted on 02/01/2007 2:46:41 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Spiff

Where did you get the "support/opposes" info on Rudy?


30 posted on 02/01/2007 2:46:44 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: NapkinUser
No matter what you try you RudyHaters can't seem to even make a dent in what seems to be an increasingly formidable candidate.

So Sad....s/
31 posted on 02/01/2007 2:46:57 PM PST by Blackirish (David Dinkins:"Rudy as President is kind of frightening.My question will be, will I move to Bermuda")
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To: NapkinUser
Tough on crime usually is code for gun-grabber.

So apparently cleaning up the most violent city isn't conservative....

NYC is not Texas. Gun control was already the law anyway, and Rudy cracked down on the felons and thugs gunowners.

32 posted on 02/01/2007 2:47:30 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here to have it resent!)
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To: Delphinium

FACT!


33 posted on 02/01/2007 2:47:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: NapkinUser
Woo-Hoo!

MORE SPAM!

34 posted on 02/01/2007 2:49:16 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Dark Skies

Where have all the CONSERVATIVES gone?? Oh, I forgot, they got bought off with the political power of socialism and the lure of liberalism.

Forget I asked....


35 posted on 02/01/2007 2:49:29 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: kinoxi
I like the guy but the whole 'dress in drag' to pose for pictures thing eliminates him from eligibility

It's a New York thing, to me Rudy dressing up in drag tells me that he's easy-going and self-confident.

36 posted on 02/01/2007 2:49:36 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here to have it resent!)
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To: Blackirish

I think it's either Rudy, or get used to the idea of President Clinton Part 2 or Barak.

Unless a guy like Duncan Hunter can pull off an upset of historical proportions, never before equaled. Which I don't believe will happen. Hunter has next to no chance.


37 posted on 02/01/2007 2:50:16 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Patron Saint of Mediocrity)
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To: EagleUSA
Where have all the CONSERVATIVES gone??

Supporting a fiscal and national security conservative candidate in Rudy, and one who'll be stronger on social issues than any Democratic opponent.

Oh, I forgot, they got bought off with the political power of socialism and the lure of liberalism.

Cutting taxes & limiting the size of government is "socialism?" You people are effing nuts.

38 posted on 02/01/2007 2:51:38 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here to have it resent!)
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To: Tim Long
One very positive aspect of Rudy getting the nod is he wont be after the crowd that believes in this crapola


39 posted on 02/01/2007 2:51:54 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: NapkinUser

Aah, you're being captious. He's a libertarian on social issues which is all one can hope for in President.


40 posted on 02/01/2007 2:52:06 PM PST by Nonstatist
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