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Iranian-Made IEDs Are the Most Deadly U.S. Forces Have Seen, and Their Use Is on the Rise
ABC News ^ | 1/30/07

Posted on 01/30/2007 1:19:46 PM PST by bnelson44

The most deadly improvised explosive devices being used against U.S. soldiers in Iraq continue to come from Iran, and Iran continues to provide more tactical training, according to explosive experts working with the U.S. military.

The Iranian-made devices are known as EFPs, or Explosively Formed Projectiles. When exploded, the copper disc center becomes a molten liquid bullet that can penetrate the thickest armor the United States has.

Earlier this month, CIA Director General Michael Hayden told the Senate Select Intelligence Committee that the EFPs from Iran cause more casualties on an incident-for-incident basis than any other type of improvised explosive device.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: CertainInalienableRights
I'm not doubting the authenticity (in spite of it coming from ABC), but I'd sure be curious to know how the explosives experts can tell these weapons originated in Iran.

ABC News reported on this in March 6, 2006. The shells have manufacturing signatures consistent with other Iranian weapons.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1
61 posted on 01/30/2007 2:19:40 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Islamists are like children. You cannot reason. They only understand rewards and punishments.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
The only Commander in Chief who runs wars and foreign policies is the President not Congress. We should be very grateful to our Founding Fathers for writing the Constitution as such.
62 posted on 01/30/2007 2:19:45 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Kuehn12
No it wouldn't take that many troops to conquer both Syria and Iran but they would be needed to a real job of pacification. Not the half-buttock job that has been done so far.

A major reason why maintaining the peace is so difficult is because the insurgents in Iraq receive funding, equipment, and training from Iran.

Our unwillingness to expand the conflict emboldens them and allows them to maintain logistics in Iran without fear of those supplies getting hit.

If we hit Iran, and hit them hard we will significantly disrupt their supply chain, and their ability to organize.

It won't make the attacks go away. But it will weaken their forces and their effectiveness.

We need enough ground forces to hit their nuclear program, and hold the sites long enough to destroy their capabilities. This is not a small task, but it isn't going to tke hundreds of thousands of people on the ground either.

We also want to take out as much of the Iranian regime as possible. We should do to instill fear in other despots, as well as to punish those despots for attacking Americans.

If you show willingness to attack those who attack you, you will face far fewer attacks. However, if we send the message we have been sending that our enemies, such as Iran don't need to fear direct attacks because they have us tied up in an unpopular war in Iraq, then they will continue to attack us and undermine our efforts.

We need to put an end to such despots thinking they can attack us and not be met with an overwhelming response.

We don't need to hold territory in Iran for an extended period of time. We need to hit their nuclear facilities, and kill or drive their rulers deep into hiding, and if any who survive ever stick their heads up again, we need to go after them again. Don't treat them like political adversaries, treat them like the murderous criminals they are for ordering the capture and execution of Americans.

63 posted on 01/30/2007 2:19:47 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: piytar
To my simple way of thinking there has always been a workable answer to this and other problems. We know who the local leaders are. We should visit them and make the following deal: We will pay them some modest sum to provide local security. Should any US troops be killed in their area the local leaders will lose the same number of family members. Once he runs out of family members he will be replaced with the next local ruler.
64 posted on 01/30/2007 2:25:06 PM PST by ozdragon
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To: Recovering_Democrat

""Let's see if the brave Democrat party operatives running the legislative branch have the balls to take them on.

I think the RATS are more likely to squat and pee and don't think for a minute the ragheads don't know it.


65 posted on 01/30/2007 2:25:47 PM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: Neoliberalnot

Google "Explosively formed penetrator", "Explosively formed projectile", and "Munroe effect" ... the web has numerous articles on shaped charges and EFPs.


66 posted on 01/30/2007 2:27:17 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

When exploded, the copper disc becomes a molten liquid bullet, traveling at high velocity (typically 1500-2000 m/s), that can penetrate armor. They have been around for about 30 years.


67 posted on 01/30/2007 2:27:57 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (We are going to win!))
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To: Txsleuth

"The Senate Democrats had a hearing today....asking law professors if they have a legal right to get control of the Iraq war from Pres. Bush...

They also wanted information about if they have the right to stop Bush from going to war with Iran. '

The President is the commander in chief and if need be he does have the military to override the so-called law professors, traitors and RATS.


68 posted on 01/30/2007 2:29:57 PM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: Neoliberalnot
how can a metal of such low density penetrate steel armor?

No expert here but I would presume it has a lot to do with temperature and momentum.

69 posted on 01/30/2007 2:31:16 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Shaped charge; it's an old technology. Look at an RPG for an example.


70 posted on 01/30/2007 2:32:37 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Democrats show their patriotism by agreeing with America's enemies and cheering them on)
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To: Neoliberalnot

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/013007/authority.html

Check this out:


71 posted on 01/30/2007 2:33:11 PM PST by Txsleuth (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: bnelson44
This is also known as an "Explosively Formed Penetrator." They aren't new but used to be rare. The Red Army Faction used one to assassinate Alfred Herrhausen in 1989. Blew right through an armored limo.

This is something a little better engineered than a conventional shaped-charge explosive. Here is the Wikipedia entry. They are allegedly of Iranian manufacture now although the original design appears to have been Russian.

72 posted on 01/30/2007 2:33:41 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: jveritas

You are right of course, but the power of the purse can turn victory into defeat. How about a 2,000,000 genocide in SE asia.


73 posted on 01/30/2007 2:41:38 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: elhombrelibre

If this is so easy then why do we use the high-density spent uranium to penetrate armor?


74 posted on 01/30/2007 2:45:37 PM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: bnelson44
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - we need to target the top mullahs in the Iranian government and KILL THEM. Perhaps if enough of them die mysterious deaths, they'll start to think twice about sending weapons into Iraq for the purpose of maiming and killing American soldiers.
75 posted on 01/30/2007 2:52:57 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Every time a jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Kuehn12

casus belli


76 posted on 01/30/2007 2:53:34 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Levante

We need to beat the shit out of somebody before we forget how.


77 posted on 01/30/2007 2:55:17 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: bnelson44

And they will pay with the downfall of their disgusting little cabal.


78 posted on 01/30/2007 2:56:26 PM PST by pissant
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To: Kuehn12

FU loser!!!


79 posted on 01/30/2007 2:56:56 PM PST by demsux
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To: Kuehn12

That phrase is "Casus belli".

If you are going to be so emotional and abrasive, use the correct phrase please.


80 posted on 01/30/2007 3:22:12 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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