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Iranian-Made IEDs Are the Most Deadly U.S. Forces Have Seen, and Their Use Is on the Rise
ABC News ^ | 1/30/07

Posted on 01/30/2007 1:19:46 PM PST by bnelson44

The most deadly improvised explosive devices being used against U.S. soldiers in Iraq continue to come from Iran, and Iran continues to provide more tactical training, according to explosive experts working with the U.S. military.

The Iranian-made devices are known as EFPs, or Explosively Formed Projectiles. When exploded, the copper disc center becomes a molten liquid bullet that can penetrate the thickest armor the United States has.

Earlier this month, CIA Director General Michael Hayden told the Senate Select Intelligence Committee that the EFPs from Iran cause more casualties on an incident-for-incident basis than any other type of improvised explosive device.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.abcnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: CertainInalienableRights

"Made in Iran"

More likely Made in Russia. The big question here as has been throughout this war is the will to end it. In other words if Iranian commandos are doing this then a populated area should be picked in Iran and nuclear weaponry dispensed. Repeat this process until they beg on their knees for us to stop - then once more for good measure. Collateral damage should not be fretted about, discussed, or alluded to. Our current "civilised" effort is getting our people killed needlessly.


41 posted on 01/30/2007 1:56:45 PM PST by Domicile of Doom (Center amber dot on head and squeeze for best results)
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To: bnelson44

How dare the President threaten those helpful Iranians???


42 posted on 01/30/2007 1:58:52 PM PST by JerseyDvl ("If you attack Americans, we'll defend your right to do it."- The Democrat Party)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The Senate Democrats had a hearing today....asking law professors if they have a legal right to get control of the Iraq war from Pres. Bush...

They also wanted information about if they have the right to stop Bush from going to war with Iran.

I would say the Democrats have answered your question.


43 posted on 01/30/2007 2:00:06 PM PST by Txsleuth (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: Domicile of Doom

To add to my last rant. For those who say nuclear weapons will not deter Islamofascists, then google "Defeat of Japanese Empire". The several hundred or so firebombings of every city in Japan did not convince them, but it seems two devices deployed at the end of the conflict convinced even the most ardent Japanese fighting man.


44 posted on 01/30/2007 2:01:34 PM PST by Domicile of Doom (Center amber dot on head and squeeze for best results)
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To: jveritas
Your post is silly because it is like asking to prove that 1+1=2.

I didn't mean it to be silly. Explosives are essentially mixtures of chemicals. These particular ones happen to have a copper core - a very common metal. Chemicals can be source from all over the world.

I'd be curious to know how the experts can tell, by the explosive devices themselves, as the article seems to infer, the location from which they came. Chemical tagging? Ordinance design? Identifying markings? Characteristics of the copper that traces it back to the originating ore? Fingerprints?
45 posted on 01/30/2007 2:02:46 PM PST by CertainInalienableRights
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To: bnelson44
Calling these weapons IEDs is a misnomer - there is nothing "improvised" about them.

They can penetrate pretty much any kind of bodyarmor - but not all vehicle armor.

46 posted on 01/30/2007 2:05:08 PM PST by wideawake
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To: CertainInalienableRights; bnelson44

March 6, 2006 — U.S. military and intelligence officials tell ABC News that they have caught shipments of deadly new bombs at the Iran-Iraq border.

They are a very nasty piece of business, capable of penetrating U.S. troops' strongest armor.

What the United States says links them to Iran are tell-tale manufacturing signatures — certain types of machine-shop welds and material indicating they are built by the same bomb factory.

"The signature is the same because they are exactly the same in production," says explosives expert Kevin Barry. "So it's the same make and model."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1


47 posted on 01/30/2007 2:05:14 PM PST by secretagent
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To: Edgerunner
Why arn't we kicking some Iranian butt? Don't want to upset them?

Naah, it's their 'Rat pals Nancy and Harry and Teddy and Plugs-y and Hillary and Barak-y etc. etc. etc. that we don't want to upset. Not to mention their media pals Katie and Chrissy and Keithie, and their commie pals Medea and Cindy and Mikie ...

To all the "teach the bums a lesson" pseudo-conservatives who stayed home on November 7th to "send a message" to the Republicans: THANKS FOR NOTHING, A$$HATS.

48 posted on 01/30/2007 2:05:18 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: bnelson44

49 posted on 01/30/2007 2:06:40 PM PST by Gritty (Iran has been at war with us for 27 years, even though we’ve yet to deign to fight back-Dean Barnett)
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To: Kuehn12
Casus belli is a modern Latin language expression meaning the justification for acts of war.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but it's not "coses Belli".
50 posted on 01/30/2007 2:09:42 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I think the term IED is wrong, here. These hardly sound like IMPROVISED Explosive Devices.

Yes. I believe a correction is in order. They should now be called an IEED - Iranian Engineered Explosive Device.
51 posted on 01/30/2007 2:10:34 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Islamists are like children. You cannot reason. They only understand rewards and punishments.)
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To: bnelson44

Thanks Jimmy Carter for making this terrorist regime in Iran possible.

And yes, the US is the "parriah nation." Go shake hands with the Iranian terrorists again John Kerry, you friggin' traitor.


52 posted on 01/30/2007 2:10:43 PM PST by MikeA (Nancy Pelosi: The Speaker of the News Media)
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To: CertainInalienableRights
I'd sure be curious to know how the explosives experts can tell these weapons originated in Iran.

Most likely human intelligence sources coupled with forensics on the IED/UXO.

53 posted on 01/30/2007 2:12:21 PM PST by LambSlave (If you have to ask permission, it is not a right.)
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To: jveritas

That sounds like war to me. The Democrats will prevent anything that actually hurts Iran. You forgot the majority party in Congress in on Iran's side in this one.


54 posted on 01/30/2007 2:13:44 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I had been thinking of posting an appeal to someone knowledgeable, to either confirm or deny my suspicion that this technology came from our good friends (sarc) in Russia.


55 posted on 01/30/2007 2:14:25 PM PST by hellbender
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To: scan59; zarf; massgopguy
I thought the M1 was super duper high-tech invincible./s
...."Oh my God that's horrible!"

Calm down folks!

Shaped charges are nothing new! Old armor piercing RPGs often use the same technique.

The USA has smart bomblets and all sorts of mean little devices that fly around looking for tanks and stuff to destroy with this same technique.

Of course, none of the ragheads have any armor to pierce at this point, so they have to use this type weapon to get at us while we can kill them with plain old 223 rounds.

Chill out!

56 posted on 01/30/2007 2:15:51 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: CertainInalienableRights
I heard yesterday on Foxnews (Brit Hume) that the military is going to release very soon irrefutable evidences about the terrorist regime in Iran sending IED, weapons, and terrorists to Iraq to kill our troops and kill innocent Iraqi civilians.
57 posted on 01/30/2007 2:16:49 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: bnelson44

I don't follow this; how can a metal of such low density penetrate steel armor? Somebody here with an expert background please answer this question.


58 posted on 01/30/2007 2:17:42 PM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: bnelson44

I don't follow this; how can a metal of such low density penetrate steel armor? Somebody here with an expert background please answer this question.


59 posted on 01/30/2007 2:17:43 PM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: taxcontrol; GSlob

Thanks for getting in here and providing some sanity vs. the hair pulling! LOL!


60 posted on 01/30/2007 2:17:54 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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