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Muslim urged to shun 'unholy' vaccines [UK--measles, mumps, rubella]
Times Online ^ | 1-29-07 | Abul Taher

Posted on 01/29/2007 11:02:10 AM PST by SJackson

A MUSLIM doctors’ leader has provoked an outcry by urging British Muslims not to vaccinate their children against diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella because it is “un-Islamic”.

Dr Abdul Majid Katme, head of the Islamic Medical Association, is telling Muslims that almost all vaccines contain products derived from animal and human tissue, which make them “haram”, or unlawful for Muslims to take. Islam permits only the consumption of halal products, where the animal has had its throat cut and bled to death while God’s name is invoked.

Islam also forbids the eating of any pig meat, which Katme says is another reason why vaccines should be avoided, as some contain or have been made using pork-based gelatine.

His warning has been criticised by the Department of Health and the British Medical Association, who said Katme risked increasing infections ranging from flu and measles to polio and diphtheria in Muslim communities.

Katme, a psychiatrist who has worked in the National Health Service for 15 years, wields influence as the head of one of only two national Islamic medical organisations as well as being a member of the Muslim Council of Britain. Moderate Muslims are concerned at the potential impact because other Islamic doctors will have to confirm vaccines are derived from animal and human products.

There is already evidence of lower than average vaccination rates in Muslim areas, reducing the prospect of the “herd immunity” needed to curb infectious diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella. Katme’s appeal reflects a global movement by some hardline Islamic leaders who are telling followers torefuse vaccines from the West.

In Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and parts of India, Muslims have refused to be immunised against polio after being told that the vaccines contain products that the West has deliberately added to make the recipients infertile.

Katme said he was bringing the message to Britain after analysing the products used for the manufacture of the vaccines. He claimed that Muslims must allow their children to develop their own immune system naturally rather than rely on vaccines.

He argued that leading “Islamically healthy lives” would be enough to ward off illnesses and diseases.

“You see, God created us perfect and with a very strong defence system. If you breast-feed your child for two years — as the Koran says — and you eat Koranic food like olives and black seed, and you do ablution each time you pray, then you will have a strong defence system,” he said.

“Many vaccines, especially those given to children, are full of haram substances — human parts, gelatine from pork, alcohol, animal/monkey parts, all coming from the West who do not have knowledge of halal or haram. It is forbidden in Islam to have any of these haram substances in our bodies.”

Katme singled out vaccines such as MMR as ones to avoid, despite doctors saying that they are essential to keep a baby healthy. Others included those for diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis and meningitis.

Dr Shuja Shafi, a spokesman for the health and medical committee of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “In terms of ingredients in vaccines, there are so many things that are probably haram, but in the absence of an alternative we are allowed to take it for the sake of our health.”


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To: AppyPappy
Imagine if a Christian denomination did this.

You mean like the Jehovah's Witnesses?

41 posted on 01/29/2007 11:35:35 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Froufrou; B4Ranch
I have no problem with a legal immigration program, like the one my ancesters used when they came here. Legal, orderly immigration CAN work again. We are fools to abandon it.
42 posted on 01/29/2007 11:37:36 AM PST by tioga
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To: tioga
ancestors
43 posted on 01/29/2007 11:38:42 AM PST by tioga
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To: ASA Vet

I don't think Jehovah's witnesses consider themselves "Christian". At least they don't believe Christ is God which is the normal Christian belief.


44 posted on 01/29/2007 11:41:51 AM PST by wiltale
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To: SJackson

We should add this to the Evolution list.

Darwin will be proved right yet again.


45 posted on 01/29/2007 11:47:53 AM PST by Utahrd
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To: ASA Vet

I'm sure they vaccinate. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in schools.


46 posted on 01/29/2007 11:52:31 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I'm not sure about Jehovah's Witnesses. There are some groups that have religious exemptions, though. I think Christian Scientists may be one, but I am not sure if I have the right group or not. Some children also have medical exemptions if they or a sibling reacted badly to a previous vacination.


47 posted on 01/29/2007 11:59:41 AM PST by wiltale
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To: wiltale
They think they are.

Here's their website

48 posted on 01/29/2007 12:02:22 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: AppyPappy
At least in Michigan parents can sign a religious objection waiver and their children can attend government schools without immunizations.
49 posted on 01/29/2007 12:04:25 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: ASA Vet

OK Thanks for the info.


50 posted on 01/29/2007 12:05:11 PM PST by wiltale
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To: Froufrou

I'm sure California will lead the charge to change this rule because it would be what liberals describe as racism. Actually they already have benn allowing children of illegal immigrants to attend public school with no background checks or checks for social security numbers. Many of these children never immunized against any diseases.


51 posted on 01/29/2007 12:08:22 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: CzarNicky
"that's one way to get rid of them."

Yep. If we can only confine the diseases to a cordoned of population. More likely, they will become a public health menace for the rest of us the Islamic Black Death.

52 posted on 01/29/2007 12:12:44 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Froufrou

In most all states, you don't need to immunize your children. There is a form to fill, and all you have to say is "Religions sensibilities." And, that's that!


53 posted on 01/29/2007 12:15:43 PM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: SJackson

Well, this sounds like a nice way to get the Muzzies out of Europe. Let them self-genocide. </s> Which is what this kind of thinking amounts to.


54 posted on 01/29/2007 12:18:11 PM PST by chesley ("Socialism" - compassion for those that don't have any.)
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To: tioga
I am sure that a lot of people have not seen the handwriting on the wall yet, this situation as is the entire Muslims situation we face today is serious and that the war of wars could and most probably be fought, with the dems still condemning the USA for our troubles.
55 posted on 01/29/2007 12:22:33 PM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: SJackson

I sure hope this catches on in the Muslim world...in another generation there will be a lot fewer Muslims.


56 posted on 01/29/2007 12:36:49 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Froufrou
"TB has come back, hepatitis C and maybe a D now, and when I was a baby they were so proud to defeat polio."

You've nailed the problem. People who don't get vaccinations harbour diseases that can harm us all.
57 posted on 01/29/2007 12:38:33 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Yep. Children, with their underdeveloped immune systems, are even more vulnerable.


58 posted on 01/29/2007 12:42:55 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: reagan_fanatic

"...Pigs breathe in the same air that we do, which means that the air itself has come in contact with an unclean animal.

I recommend they stop breathing in this un-islamic air immediately...."

Post of the Thread Award. I love it. Your recommendation is totaly acceptable to all of us non-islamic Christains.


59 posted on 01/29/2007 12:44:47 PM PST by NCC-1701 (To boldly go where no FReeper has gone before. Live long and prosper.)
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To: Rummyfan
"...What is to be done..."


60 posted on 01/29/2007 12:48:20 PM PST by NCC-1701 (To boldly go where no FReeper has gone before. Live long and prosper.)
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