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To: MNJohnnie
Everyone knows that Old Joe paid for his Son to win the election by making deals in Chicago Mob Circles. If Nixon had contested that election he would have been President, and maybe JFK would have not been assassinated. Politics can turn on a dime today, unlike even 10 years ago, with the 24-7 DBM anything goes. Executive leadership is what the Voters want, they prefer former Governors as in Clinton, Carter, GWB, Reagan. Reagan had lots of leadership background in the SAG, and the Governor of the most populous State, California. He had lots of name recognition not just as the Governor, but with GE Theater, Death Valley Days, the Old Movies. I believe Richardson was counting on his Governor's role to run for President, and I would not be surprised if that was exactly why he ran. A very Conservative Nominee cannot win Nationwide despite what we hear about Reagan and GWB. Neither were really as Conservative as we might have wanted, and that is why they could win Nationwide. For that same reason Clinton moderated some of the wild eye leftist ideas when he ran, and when he listened to the radicals once he was elected he lost the House and Senate. I really do not like it, but the electorate will not elect a socially Conservative, fiscally moderate Hunter, they only would if those views were turned around. What we want and what we can have are two different things. I would not support Hunter at this juncture, he has almost no experience except being a Congressman, IMHO not good enough to run a White House and all of it's Agencies, employees with the enemy both foreign and domestic ready to get you.
709 posted on 01/28/2007 2:31:42 PM PST by samantha (The New Media fighting the DBM for our Sanity, Survival ,Soldiers.)
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To: samantha
No dear lady. They prefer Washington Outsiders, or the one who runs as being AGAINST the Washington Old Boy's Club. Kennedy ran against the "tired" Republican leadership. Nixon ran as the counter to the failed Democrat Leadership. Carter ran against DC, Reagan ran against DC, Clinton ran against DC, Bush 2 ran against DC. I know that "Governors win" is one of those trite "Conventional Wisdom" sound bites that does NOT stand up to factual analysis. Kennedy, Nixon and Bush 1 had NO are almost NO Executive experience. Neither did Al Gore and he ALMOST won. Two years at CIA or seving as VP in NO way translates into serious "Executive Leadership". All a VP does in most Admin is hold the President's coat.

We have NO idea how a Congress Critter only, as opposed to a US Senator, would do since we have NEVER run one. Especially we have never run one against an open feild with no obvious torch bearer. The reason it is not conventional wisdom is because NO ONE HAS EVER TRIED IT not because it cannot be done.
711 posted on 01/28/2007 2:44:51 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( If they say "speaking truth to power,"-they haven't had a l thought since the Beatles broke up)
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To: samantha
A very Conservative Nominee cannot win Nationwide despite what we hear about Reagan and GWB...I really do not like it, but the electorate will not elect a socially Conservative, fiscally moderate Hunter, they only would if those views were turned around.

I cannot argue with the likelihood of this scenario. Of course, this leads directly to the unpleasant deduction that there may be no specific, Pub candidate with any chance of success. Will a large enough portion of the Conservative base swallow hard and vote for a Giuliani etc.? Will those with objections to a leader with strong religious ties go for a Huckabee etc.? I would say that we are quite possibly between the bull and the bees.

Until such time as a Pub candidate appears who more adequately stands for strong national security, of which border control etc. is a prime factor, and for moral standards which also make a nation secure- it's Hunter for me.
722 posted on 01/28/2007 3:21:26 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: samantha
I disagree with you on Hunter. I think he could be a good CIC,as could Rudy. I still have one goal---not Hillary.

I am ready and willing to support whomever we choose(I just hope it ain't McCain however).Problem is we need to remember that we really don't elect a President. Neither do the lib rats, it's the squishy middle that gets the job done.The independents. Like it or not that's how politics are these days. We had many shots since 41 to make the Republican party more conservative and we blew each and every one. That's why so many people kept(and still are) dropping out. Not wanting anything to do with the rats we have a huge independent group that now nominates the next president.

772 posted on 01/28/2007 5:06:00 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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