Posted on 01/24/2007 3:00:13 PM PST by stockpirate
There were two woman on the show being interviwed and I only caught a piece of it.
But the main part was that since 9/11 over 45,000 US citizens have been killed by illigal aliens in the US.
Does anyone know more about this as I am very interested. They said the numbers came from a US Congressman or Senator.
also one person was with the boarder militia group, so there were three people.
That's about the same estimate (if you do a little math) that conservative Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa gave last year during the marxist-organized marches of illegal alien invaders.
count in TB, chagas, bed bugs, driving without a license, drug trafficking and gang activity.
It is "possible" that almost all deaths are by Illegals but it is not true. Neither is this figure accurate being ginned up by polemicists against Illegal Immigration. Anyone involved in an incident with a Spanish name is probably thrown into the calculation as an Illegal.
In Chicago the vast majority of murders are gang related. Some are by Illegals but those are a small minority since our homegrown thugs take care of most killings.
How many Americans (any race) have been killed by African-Americans since 9-11?
You distort the representation. Only 4300 per year are attributed to homicide. That would only be 25%, a believable number. The remaining are attributed to drunk driving and the like
A few weeks ago, I saw a breakdown of the study that congressman King refers to. The methodology used looked valid. I did not verify the base numbers in any way, so I would not take the results as Gospel. The study did seem worthy of peer review for validity and after seeing the components they were assessing I would not have a hard time believing the results.
I can see where someone said "45 hundred" and someone else thought "45 thousand" or merely misplacing the decimal point. It happens all the time.
Even adding accidental deaths into the number does not make it believable. Illegals are about 4% of the population and the claim that they are responsible for over 11% of deaths by car and murder is not credible. Illegals are less likely to even have a car than a citizen so that makes the claim even more suspect.
Someone took the wrong numbers. Take a look at this:
"Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001."
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103
Twenty five percent is NOT a believable number. And Illegal is not nearly ten times as likely to commit murder.
Now I would believe that the ~4% of the population which are Illegal might commit 5-6% of the murders but not 25%.
You can rest assured that any number in a news story is suspect. And that includes the business pages for most papers. Pathetic.
I like the discussion showing the number of prior arrests for incarcerated Illegals AS IF the same pattern is not there for citizens in prison. Very few have never been arrested virtually ALL have extensive arrest records starting in their early teens.
I can tell you this, when accidents are reported here involving fatalities, over half are Hispanic surnames. With the construction industry booming, and the number of illegals growing exponentially, it is easy to see where it is possible.
they refer to this as reconquista. Reconquering of Frontier de Norte.
5-6% would not fit with basic demographics. If nearly 50% of homicides are committed by the lower 25% of the economic scale and illegals comprize a disproportionate size of that segment, there contribution would to the overall homicide rate would be disporportionate to their percentage of the overall population.
The homicide rate in major population areas is over 3x that of the rest of the country. The concentration illegals in major population areas is again highly disproportionate to the remainder of the country. Therefore their contribution to the overall murder rate would again be highly disproportianate to their overall proportion in the general population.
25%? I don't know. I no more verified your 13,000 per year number than I did the base numbers in the study. My only assertion is that the methodology of the study, based on my experience with data and statistics appeared valid. The deviation in the results are likely no greater than the deviation in your 13,000 and 4% figures represent.
The simple 4% figure distorts the demographics involved. Illegals form a greater proportion of the lower economic levels where a higher proportion of violent deaths occur. They are also a greater proportion in population centers where again higher proportion of violent deaths occur.
I have not argued that there will be strict proportionality and that the figure would be higher than the citizenry for murders but not for automobile accidents due to the lower auto ownership rates for the poor. So that might cancel out to some extent. Nor do I believe that the large urban areas have a higher death rate for auto accidents.
I live in the Houston area. Traffic deaths are common. Two predominate profiles are intoxicated illegal and illegal driving heavy equipment. The illegal driving heavy equipment is a bad one, many fatalities. Strictly anecdotal, but after 10 years here the pattern is very apparent vs. the previous places I have lived.
The higher per capita traffic mortality rate for population centers shows up on multiple sites when googled. I wouldn't take it to court, but have no reason to doubt it on the surface.
I live in Chicago which probably has more Illegals than even Houston and that is not the pattern here. Occasionally you will see an accident with Illegals but they are not that common.
Higher fatality rates are associated with high speeds which generally mean highway driving. Most of the traffic in ciies is not going at high rates of speed. Thus, while I would expect to see more accidents in the urban areas I would not expect to see deaths associated with most of them. While out in the wide open spaces the accidenst are at 70 mph and thus far more dangerous.
S-l-o-w service at McDonald's is undoubtedly the cause of several 100/year.
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