[CMAC51]

As I said, the information is anecdotal about Houston. I don't intend to present it as data. Most fatal accidents are at excessive speed or intersections on non-highway streets with alchohol or heavy vehicles involved.

I haven't done meaningful research and am not motivated to do so. As I said, a quick google on death rates turned up several sites showing higher traffic mortality rates in population centers. I'm not going to dig deep enough to defend or debunk the sites.

My main intent is that people should not be dismissive of the impact of illegals on violent mortality rates. Someone did go off and do a study. Based on my cursory review of it, it looked well executed. On the other hand, those dismissing the figures are doing so by misrepresenting the information presented or their personal belief or expectations. If people want to dispute the study, they should indicate the flaws within the study or present countervailing data.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Most of the disputes are just over the number not that Illegals do no harm. At least that is my dispute. Lots of people here are ready to believe anything no matter how illogical. One post above put the total costs associated with Illegals at almost a trillion dollars. Since that is 83,000 per Illegal it can be dismissed out of hand. Almost all numbers coming from those believing Illegals are the greatest problem facing the nation can just as easily and legitimately dismissed.