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1 posted on 01/24/2007 7:45:59 AM PST by SmithL
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To: Congressman Billybob

Someone with a much better grasp of the Constitution will need to explain this one to me.


2 posted on 01/24/2007 7:47:15 AM PST by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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To: SmithL

It doesn't say individuals have the right to bear arms either. /s


3 posted on 01/24/2007 7:51:05 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: SmithL

For someone admittedly uneducated in this, Specter's question was my first as well: How can you guarantee not to suspend something without granting it? AND, isn't that guarantee not to suspend it in fact an implicit grant itself?


4 posted on 01/24/2007 7:51:51 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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Article 1, section 9 of the Constitution, restricting powers of Congress, forbids the suspension of habeas corpus except, "when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public safety may require it."


5 posted on 01/24/2007 7:54:33 AM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: SmithL
Gonzales acknowledged that the Constitution declares "habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless ... in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." But he insisted that "there is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution."

It's also true that the Constitution does not grant citizens the right to eat.

6 posted on 01/24/2007 7:55:04 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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If anything should be found in emanations and pnumbras, this should be it!!! :-)


7 posted on 01/24/2007 7:55:12 AM PST by KeyesPlease
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To: SmithL
Gonzales acknowledged that the Constitution declares "habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless ... in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.'' But he insisted that "there is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution.''

Surely Gonzales isn't this stupid or uneducated. He must, therefore, be disingenuous when making such a stupid argument.

Not only is a prohibition against suspending habeas corpus an admission that it is a right Americans do have, the Constitution is not and never has been a list of rights.

Perhaps Alberto needs to read the Ninth Amendment again.

9 posted on 01/24/2007 7:58:07 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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In 1996, Clinton signed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act which makes it much more difficult for murder defendants to have their habeas corpus appeals heard in federal court.


10 posted on 01/24/2007 7:59:11 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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The Constitution does not expressly grant habeas corpus, but it is certainly implied by Article 1, section 9. The same section seems to limit the suspension of habeas corpus to cases of rebellion or invasion.

Habeas corpus was suspended in several parts of the country during the Civil War (i.e. a rebellion). I don't think that, for instance, unlawful enemy combatants captured overseas meets the constitutional test for it's suspension.

12 posted on 01/24/2007 8:03:48 AM PST by Jeff F
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habeas corpus ping


13 posted on 01/24/2007 8:07:12 AM PST by stainlessbanner ("I cannot be destroyed. I cannot be silenced. I cannot be compromised." - The Nuge)
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To: SmithL

I suspect Gonzales was appointed AG to pad his resume for the next SC opening.

Imagine him on the SC and making decisions in this regard.


17 posted on 01/24/2007 8:13:05 AM PST by TomGuy
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"The Constitution doesn't say every individual in the United States or every citizen is hereby granted or assured the right of habeas,'' Gonzales told Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing Jan. 17.

Fire this La Raza SOB now.

20 posted on 01/24/2007 8:14:53 AM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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Well, we now have a new boilerplate question for all future nominees to the post of Attorney General: "Does the U.S. Constitution grant the right of habeus corpus?" Anyone who fails to answer "Yes" to that question will not be confirmed by the Senate.

So I guess we can thank Gonzales for that. In another two years, at most, he'll be gone. But the question he inspired will live on. And now Attorney General nominees will undoubtedly be quizzed on a host of other fundamental questions to determine if they possess a basic knowledge and understanding of our Constitution.

Which Gonzales apparently doesn't.


23 posted on 01/24/2007 8:16:14 AM PST by dpwiener
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In addition, the Founding Fathers knew there were many rights that weren't enumerated in the Constitution and they knew that this didn't mean they didn't exist. The Federalists claimed that rights would be respected. The Anti-Federalists didn't believe this and agitated for a Bill of Rights. Others said that a Bill of Rights would be taken to mean that only those enumerated rights had constitutional protection. Looks like they knew what they were talking about.
25 posted on 01/24/2007 8:19:32 AM PST by aruanan
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To: SmithL
a position that seemingly would leave Congress free to reduce habeas corpus rights or repeal them altogether.

It seems to me that if the Constitution says that habeas corpus can be suspended "...in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety..." then Congress can certainly reduce habeas corpus rights or repeal them altogether "in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety".

How hard is that to understand?

26 posted on 01/24/2007 8:20:47 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Celebrate Monocacy!)
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Oh! Great!
Another idiot treating the Constitution as a door mat!
32 posted on 01/24/2007 8:37:25 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: SmithL

They ought to just undercut the housing of soldiers in homes Amendment, because that's the only part of the Constitution that hasn't been assaulted and ruined by statists. Might as well finish the job.


37 posted on 01/24/2007 8:41:48 AM PST by mysterio
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The real issue is can the executive branch act unilaterally in suspending habeas corpus. Pickney started the habeas corpus clause in 1787:
"The privileges and benefit of the writ of Habeas Corpus shall be enjoyed in this Government, in the most expeditious and ample manner; and shall not be suspended by the Legislature, except upon the most urgent and pressing occasions, and for a limited time not exceeding months."

If it absolutely must be suspended, the legislative branch must do it....not the executive branch. This is upheld by the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Bollman and Swartwout and Ex Parte Merryman

39 posted on 01/24/2007 8:42:55 AM PST by stainlessbanner ("I cannot be destroyed. I cannot be silenced. I cannot be compromised." - The Nuge)
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Gonzales is playing semantic word games. He might as well say it depends on what 'is', 'is'.

First of all the intent of the Constitution was to limit the power of the Federal Government, not the other way around. Secondly, it's not a laundry list of US Citizen rights. That's why there's only about four specifically mentioned in the original Constitution.

And in case he forgot, "We the people" grant the Federal gubmint certain powers as delineated in the Constitution. All other 'Rights' and 'powers' are retained by the people and the states. In short, our rights are inherent and absolute (almost).

So if Gonzo really believes what he's saying, he is a DANGER to the Republic. And he'll see SCOTUS when hell freezes over.

(btw, this is an old article and was posted last week. The SF Comical is behind the times publishing it today.)

42 posted on 01/24/2007 8:44:10 AM PST by Condor51 (The demoncRATs don't want another 'Vietnam' - they want another Dien Bien Phu.)
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IIRC, even President Jefferson took a broom to it on one occasion.


46 posted on 01/24/2007 8:50:49 AM PST by Graymatter
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