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To: Congressman Billybob

Someone with a much better grasp of the Constitution will need to explain this one to me.


2 posted on 01/24/2007 7:47:15 AM PST by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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To: SmithL

I think the problem here is --- Gonzales is right.

If you read the exchange provided at the bottom, it is pretty straightforward. The constitution does not grant a right-- in the way that we find things such as freedom of speech. The constitution acknowleges habeas corpus but it is not the the origin of that claim.

Of course, this technical clarification does not matter to the paranoid attackers of the Bush administration on the right and left. Clearly Gonzales wants to put everyone in jail and rule as a solitary dictator. The SF Chronicle concedes that no such proposals are in the works -- but it doesn't matter. The world of Bush is absolutely incomprehensibly immoral and wrong.


8 posted on 01/24/2007 7:55:38 AM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: SmithL

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1770290/posts


19 posted on 01/24/2007 8:14:42 AM PST by Loud Mime ("She got her looks from her father. He's a plastic surgeon." - Groucho Marx)
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To: SmithL

Strict construction.


29 posted on 01/24/2007 8:28:34 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: SmithL
Someone with a much better grasp of the Constitution will need to explain this one to me.

It's very simple, he's wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.

40 posted on 01/24/2007 8:43:14 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: SmithL
"The Constitution doesn't say every individual in the United States or every citizen is hereby granted or assured the right of habeas,''

It's very simple. We need only to look to The Declaration...
"...We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

I say also among these is the right to tell any government to p!$$ off. Who the hell does Gonzales think he is? Some sort of lord or baron?
The people who have been appointed by those we elected...and to a large degree, those we elected...seem to have forgotten the simple concept of government of the people, by the people and for the people.

"This country belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." --Abraham Lincoln

47 posted on 01/24/2007 8:53:31 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Fell deeds awake! Now for wrath! Now for ruin! And the red dawn!)
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To: SmithL

actually it is very clear.

I think the context is the GItmo detainees.

War combatants and terrorists have no habeas corpus rights.

This is not news, this is just a san francisco hippie smoking too much pot when writing for a dinosaur media paper.


66 posted on 01/24/2007 9:16:47 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SmithL
Someone with a much better grasp of the Constitution will need to explain this one to me.

Basically Specter was right and Gonzales was wrong. Habeas Corpus' status in the Constitution was established in an 1808 ruling by John Marshall.

Marshall said that the Constitution's habeas corpus clause obliged the first congress to establish its "life and activity" as an power of the court. The constitution's clause thus functions as more than a simple prohibition against suspension. It makes the court's power to issue the writ an affirmative one. As Marshall wrote, "if the means [of issuing the writ] be not in existence, the privilege itself would be lost, although no law for its suspension should be enacted."

That is also why attempting to do a backdoor suspension of habeas by stripping court jurisdiction would be unconstitutional, even though stripping court jurisdiction on other matters would not.

88 posted on 01/24/2007 11:12:09 AM PST by lqclamar
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To: SmithL

The Constitution acknowledges that habeas corpus exists extra-consitutionally by banning it's suspension. It does not grant the right to habeas corpus - it already existed pre-constitution.


105 posted on 01/24/2007 12:27:30 PM PST by Castigar
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To: SmithL

this is old news.

Fact is, he is correct. That is because the constitution grants the citizens no rights whatsoever. They are too many to list.

What it does it say what rights the government cannot take away. Which is what he is saying.


143 posted on 01/24/2007 5:16:50 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: SmithL
The Constitution refers to "the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus" not the "right of habeas corpus" (Article I Section 9) and yes states that Congress can suspend it in time of invasion or rebellion. That would mean suspects could be held without having to be charged with specific crimes or else released.
152 posted on 01/24/2007 6:21:04 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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