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Mo. boy apparently had computer access
The Fresno Bee ^ | January 15, 2007 | JIM SALTER

Posted on 01/15/2007 2:37:16 PM PST by Enterprise

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To: DvdMom

I haven't seen that video for years....did I hear that the lead singer is dead?....


81 posted on 01/15/2007 3:50:50 PM PST by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: visualops

I Agree 100%


82 posted on 01/15/2007 3:50:54 PM PST by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: donna; MeanWestTexan
You are indulging in despicable, disgusting conjecture.

Shame on both of you!

How would you feel if folks were talking about your child like this?

Stop it!

83 posted on 01/15/2007 3:52:24 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!)
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To: mystery-ak

I really don't know if the lead singer from Soul Asylum is dead ??? I did read that 5 of the kids missing in the video are still missing according to another poster doing google searches


84 posted on 01/15/2007 3:55:05 PM PST by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: Guenevere

That they were sadly realistic.


85 posted on 01/15/2007 3:55:49 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Halls

Pray for him? Wish I could. You know I've always felt that child molestors are nothing but Satan in the flesh indeed. No mercy for these perverts, I think. My husband says there should be a giant hold dug up for all child molestors to be thrown in and set on fire. Personally, I'd never thought of it in such graphic terms before; now I do.


86 posted on 01/15/2007 3:56:48 PM PST by headcase_1973
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To: JRochelle

I think it is quite possible and even fairly probable she had a baby. Were people to know that, this idea that the man who did this 'is not fit to stand trial' wouldn't wash as it does today.

I also think it is quite possible she went willingly in the begining and then felt compelled to stay as a result of the pregnancy. Please understand that responsibility and blame are two different things. Though sometimes people do hold both.

Lets say for a minute that she, or this boy, were willing participants in the very begining, not understanding fully the long term results of their actions, thus holding responsibility as opposed to blame. Wouldn't it be better to tell people the whole story outright so the most can be learned from such tragedies?

Maybe it is just but a pipedream but I have this crazy notion that more information is better than less information. Assumption isn't exactly the best teaching tool. Seems to me that blunt truth, even when painful and ugly, does alot better job.


87 posted on 01/15/2007 3:59:48 PM PST by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: headcase_1973

Pray for people like that and it's like "coals pouring on their head" or somesuch.

Praying for them also helps me not go to the courtroom and kill them personally. (It's difficult to kill someone you ask God to deliver.)


88 posted on 01/15/2007 4:02:28 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Guenevere

Why are you on this thread?


89 posted on 01/15/2007 4:05:15 PM PST by donna
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To: Enterprise

Maybe the kidnapper kidnapped him not for sexual reasons, but to have a permanent best friend. Maybe the boy had a lot of freedom, didn't have to go to school, could spend most of his time playing video games and was allowed to eat as much pizza and candy as he wanted. I hope that's the case.


90 posted on 01/15/2007 4:05:48 PM PST by carola
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"Before I was grabbed, my abductor had been convicted of child molesting. Throughout my abduction, he never stopped molesting other children. Even so, after taking me from my home, abusing me for seven years and abducting another 5-year old, he served only three and one-half years in jail.
Please, somebody tell me that isn't true!
91 posted on 01/15/2007 4:09:42 PM PST by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: Hildy

Why do some people always want to make it about blame instead of just recognizing that personal responsibility exists. Yes, even in younger children. It is not a bad thing, its just a thing. Why try to make more of it than it actually is?


92 posted on 01/15/2007 4:11:17 PM PST by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: onyx

Onyx so there is no personal responsibility to go around here? None to the parents that just
let him take his bike and go? None at all for stranger danger teachings?

I guess all personal responsibility de damned. Right? Do you see a difference between responsibility and blame? Will you tell me they are perfect synonyms in all usage? I figured you could answer that with the words you saved typing.


93 posted on 01/15/2007 4:14:06 PM PST by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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To: JRochelle
Neighbors heard screams, whimpering, banging etc.

First I've heard of that. These same neighbors thought this was a normal family too, I guess.

94 posted on 01/15/2007 4:14:30 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Just sayin
I keep thinking about both boys in front of the T.V. cameras. They must realize what we all think happened to them. They are now identifiable by the world and for the rest of their lives. Was it necessary to have them present at the interview? I don't believe so if protecting them is really the issue and reason for not fully disclosing what did in fact occur.

Another thought I had was I should think rather than protecting these children a good dose of testifying to what happened during trial ought to set them free of whatever bad things this pervert caused them to do. They will eventually find satisfaction in that they helped put the perpetrator away.

95 posted on 01/15/2007 4:15:35 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Just sayin; onyx

THE KID WAS 11 YEARS OLD. You have no idea the psychological ramfications of being abducted and threatened at that age. No offense, but you're a monster.


96 posted on 01/15/2007 4:16:11 PM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: carola

The problem with that is that he kidnapped another boy. I doubt that he wanted another "best friend."


97 posted on 01/15/2007 4:16:13 PM PST by Enterprise (Drop pork bombs on the Islamofascist wankers. Praise the Lord and pass the hammunition.)
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To: Just sayin

You have done nothing but make unfounded assumptions about this boy and Elizabeth Smart.

It's helpful to know FACTS first.

just sayin...


98 posted on 01/15/2007 4:18:15 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: Hildy

I don't have the time nor the inclination to argue with posters who post invalidly.



99 posted on 01/15/2007 4:20:24 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: EDINVA

Isn't it fair to say that imagination can very well lead to people thinking things that aren't true. Can it not be said that a victim would be better off with truthful knowledge out there instead of speculation? At least in some cases?


100 posted on 01/15/2007 4:22:18 PM PST by Just sayin (Is is what it is, for if it was anything else, it would be isn't.)
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