Plug-ins are a great path for us. It would significantly improve the economics for wind energy as well, as there would be a larger market for overnight power (which is also when the winds are stronger).
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01/01/2007 10:44:27 AM PST by
Uncledave
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2 posted on
01/01/2007 10:44:55 AM PST by
Uncledave
To: Uncledave
Pssst!
Don't let the bigwigs at Nascar see this.. Lots of Pit stops add so much to a race. :-)
3 posted on
01/01/2007 10:46:07 AM PST by
NormsRevenge
(Semper Fi ......)
To: Uncledave
You are correct - and as soon as somebody invents a battery that works, I will happily buy one.
5 posted on
01/01/2007 10:49:02 AM PST by
patton
(Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
To: Uncledave
Plug-ins are a great path for us. It would significantly improve the economics for wind energy as well, as there would be a larger market for overnight power (which is also when the winds are stronger).And will a huge electric bill, like several hundred dollars, be a great path. Is there a breakdown on a cost comparison, on a cents per mile basis, for electric from the grid vs gasoline?
11 posted on
01/01/2007 10:58:23 AM PST by
doc30
(Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
To: Uncledave
Maybe. It could at least be another niche development. The question is, how much will these batteries cost, and how often will they need to be replaced? And will my local power company agree to charge substantially less at night?
It's still unlikely that the car could be used for more than short trips, so it would effectively be an extra for most people. How much would states charge for registering a third car for two car families? How much will insurance companies charge to insure a third car?
How can the Trial Lawyer's Association be prevented from bringing on the usual gigantic lawsuits the first time someone in one of these little cars dies in a head-on collision with a normal car?
No doubt all this can be worked out, but it wouldn't be economical unless everyone was willing to cooperate. And I wonder if even the environmentalists could persuade Democrats to cross their close friends the trial lawyers?
16 posted on
01/01/2007 11:06:06 AM PST by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: Uncledave
Uhm, what will be the source for the electric power?
To: Uncledave
as there would be a larger market for overnight power Sounds like the electricity company needs to figure out how to STORE electricity.
26 posted on
01/01/2007 11:19:53 AM PST by
Centurion2000
(Not one of those seasonal Festivians. I practice the Airing of Grievances daily. Often on this site.)
To: Uncledave
So many of the counter-arguments on this thread - "Do I have to buy two electric cars when I run out of juice in the first" etc. - are answered by the simple formula: the car will still run on gasoline if the batteries are exhausted. You'll just have to fill up more often - much more often. Is that so tough to understand?
Ok, next question.
To: Uncledave
If these new/alternative sources of energy come to fruition it may lower our dependence on oil, but it will not lower our dependence on foreign oil.
The oil producers hurt first will be the domestic producers whose costs are much higher than foreign producers.
To: Uncledave
To: Uncledave
Let's see: with the environ
mentalists stopping the setting up of windmills, demanding that dams be removed from rivers, wanting mining for coal stopped (and Bill Clinton locking up our largest coal reserves in a refuge), not allowing drilling for natural gas, exactly how are we going to generate all of this electricity?
I'm serious.
48 posted on
01/01/2007 11:47:21 AM PST by
SW6906
(6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
To: Uncledave
How do they figure 500 miles per "gallon" for a vehicle that doesn't consume "gallons" of anything?
55 posted on
01/01/2007 11:59:29 AM PST by
Atlas Sneezed
(Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
To: Uncledave
So what you are telling me is this:
1) I have to trade the OPEC Cartel for Monopolistic Electric Utilities.
and
2) I have to trade free market oil for gov't regulated electricity (gov't controls both supply and price).
You don't have a right to call yourself a conservative if you support this.
56 posted on
01/01/2007 12:04:14 PM PST by
Erik Latranyi
(The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
To: Uncledave
There are not enough threads on the CFR. We can go through thread after thread about the North American Union and not a mention of the CFR. Are they irrelevant anymore, or is it us?
To: Uncledave
Anything that keeps money from binladenland is OK by me.
Of course I can see some liberal from hell saying this discriminates against apartment dwellers who are disproportionally minority!
62 posted on
01/01/2007 12:14:52 PM PST by
yochanan
To: Uncledave
Electric vehicles would make some sense if we were moving to nuclear energy - otherwise we'll use the same amount of energy on hybrids, we'll just be generating it at the power plants with oil instead of in the engines. Of course, the stability of the power grid is an issue too...
68 posted on
01/01/2007 12:30:38 PM PST by
Kay Ludlow
(Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
To: Uncledave
To be fair to you UD there are tens of thousands of these vehicles in the US already and perhaps half of them are being used at this moment. They are called Golf Carts and many gated communities allow you to use them on the streets and are a must on most golf courses...
To: Uncledave
"Plug-ins are a great path for us. It would significantly improve the economics for wind energy as well, as there would be a larger market for overnight power (which is also when the winds are stronger)."
No they arent, no they won't, there will not, nnnnno.
Plug-ins and electric vehicles are for the technically illiterate to ponder as viable transportation alternatives.
Their benefits are ALWAYS mis-stated and/or exaggerated.
They will not work as a viable alternative to internal combustion engines.
Other than that, I completely agree with you.
To: Uncledave
Plug-ins are a great path for us.Three reasons why plug-ins are NOT a great path for us:
1) Government controls the quantity of electricity produced.
2) Government controls the infrastructure of how electricity is delivered.
3) Government controls the price of electricity sold.
80 posted on
01/01/2007 12:49:28 PM PST by
Erik Latranyi
(The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
To: Uncledave
Fine. Let's make a Pocatello to San Diego run. See who gets there first. It's 925 miles. I gas up at Nephi, UT after the first 256 mile segment. Lunch and fuel at exit 8 in Utah after a 214 mile segment. Next gas stop is at Lenwood Drive in Barstow, CA. That's 276 miles. The last stop will be at L St/805 in Chla Vista. Only 180 miles. Average speed on each segment is 65 MPH. Break times are 10 minutes at Nephi, 30 minutes at St. George, 10 minutes at Barstow. From the gas station at Miramar, it is just over 30 miles to the destination in Chula Vista.
If my guess is right, you might make it to the first stop and be finished charging for the second segment about the time I pull in to Chula Vista, CA.
I've made this run over 50 times. It's real familiar and not something I would attempt in an electric car or a hybrid.
82 posted on
01/01/2007 12:52:40 PM PST by
Myrddin
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