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Whose Fiasco? by Victor Davis Hanson (review of Thomas Rick's book on Iraq)
VDH website ^ | December 23, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 12/24/2006 4:49:22 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin

Thomas Ricks, the distinguished Pulitzer-prize-winning former Wall Street Journal and current Washington Post journalist, has published widely on defense issues, winning the respect of many, both inside the Pentagon and while on deployment abroad, for his disinterested narratives.

Ricks has been to Iraq on five separate occasions in the most dangerous of places, at real danger to his person. His present account, despite the unfortunate sensationalism of its title, reflects personal autopsy, examination of a variety of documents, and his own familiarity with military officers — the vast majority of them in the book apparently disgruntled by the American performance in Iraq. The result is a damning indictment of the initial decision to invade Iraq, of the manner in which the war was conducted, and of the “fiasco” that resulted and now confronts us.

(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; vdh; victordavishanson
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A review of Fiasco: The American Adventure in Iraq by Thomas E. Ricks (Penguin Press, 2006, pp. 496). I have read it, and IMHO it's well worth reading.
1 posted on 12/24/2006 4:49:25 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin
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To: Tolik

ping


2 posted on 12/24/2006 4:51:33 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin (If you are not disquieted by "One nation under God," try "One nation under Allah.")
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To: Nicholas Conradin

VDH has good judgement, and this is not a positive review of the book. I won't be purchasing "Fiasco".


3 posted on 12/24/2006 4:55:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Nicholas Conradin

I don't give a damn how many times he's been to Iraq or how many GOs he knows. He's a journalist with an agenda and cannot be trusted to seperate truth from fiction. Period.


4 posted on 12/24/2006 4:56:20 AM PST by TADSLOS (Mohammed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his time.)
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To: Nicholas Conradin
Fiasco: The American Adventure

Title says all I need to know about this book. Its more liberal, anti-war propaganda.

5 posted on 12/24/2006 5:03:05 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: Nicholas Conradin

Doesn't look to me like a full frontal attack on Ricks that one might expect. Rather, it appears to me VDH is trying to draw Ricks out.


6 posted on 12/24/2006 5:03:43 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Nicholas Conradin

There is a problem in the Iraq operation.

It's called the US State Department. Now there's a fiasco.

Had the US State Department been run by someone other than the treasonous Powell, this war would've gone a lot differently.

First, we'd've had more combat power to at the start, we'd've had more allies working with us, we'd've exposed the corruption of our enemies, and we'd now be working with more and richer coalition partners on stabilizing Iraq.

Right now, the US would be out of Iraq, getting ready to slap some sense into Syria and Iran, a couple of nations that really need some killing power applied to their loony leaders.

Instead, the treasonous Powell and his incompetent successor allowed our half-hearted allies to weasel their way out of doing the work that must be done there.

That's the real fiasco.

I have no problem with the magnificent job our troops are doing, and if they're allowed to finish this task, we'll live in a safer and saner world.

Ricks is a bozo.


7 posted on 12/24/2006 5:16:08 AM PST by Santiago de la Vega (El hijo del Zorro)
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To: Nicholas Conradin
More propaganda from idiots who have failed to realize that its 1938 all over again. An so G_d will judge between the quick and the dead.

Islamofascism is not an invention, it is very real, and these liberal pogs had better soon start facing it.

8 posted on 12/24/2006 5:40:53 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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Good Christmas Eve Day post, thanks. VDH money quote:
"But because the reason-to-be of the entire narrative is to prove the validity of the book’s title...a near 500-page blunderbuss blast against the Iraqi war...when a journalist asserts, often without documentation, that everything went wrong, then the reader is unable to discern even what may well be true."
9 posted on 12/24/2006 5:49:34 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Nicholas Conradin

The only problem with the iraq invasion is that arabs and saudis in particular have slathered money on all former presidents, state dept. and defense politicos, and legislators in an attempt to have their way in iraq. We had to "consult with our allies in the region" at every step of the way. We were never allowed by our oil masters to go in and wipe out the opposition in WWII style fashion. That would have made life difficult for them.


10 posted on 12/24/2006 6:25:51 AM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: MaestroLC

I agree. The title betrays obvious bias.


11 posted on 12/24/2006 6:53:43 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Nicholas Conradin

"The result is a damning indictment of the initial decision to invade Iraq, of the manner in which the war was conducted, and of the “fiasco” that resulted and now confronts us."

Mmmm. 20-20 hindsight.


12 posted on 12/24/2006 7:32:30 AM PST by RoadTest (Keep our Marines out of Kangaroo court!)
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To: TADSLOS

How many times has Victor Davis Hanson been to Iraq?


13 posted on 12/24/2006 8:08:00 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Nicholas Conradin
The attack itself against an essentially contained Saddam Hussein was unnecessary...

How can a "journalist" with journalist training (leftist view of the world) make such an unsupported assertion? Just because he can write a coherent sentence does not mean he can wax eloquently on subjects he is unqualified to address. His entire book is based on an unsupported assertion that Saddam was essentially contained. That is utter nonsense! And, perhaps the subject of an entire essay or book to understand the military, social, economic, and political context and dimensions of Iraq (and its neighbors) before and during Saddam's rule. I suspect that such an analysis would not conclude that Saddam was contained. The wiggle room is the size of the grand canyon.

14 posted on 12/24/2006 8:10:45 AM PST by olezip
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To: sauropod

review


15 posted on 12/24/2006 8:12:07 AM PST by sauropod ("Come have some pie with me.")
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To: Alberta's Child
How many times has Victor Davis Hanson been to Iraq?

Beats me and is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. Ricks is just another "journalist" whore making a buck off a book about his view of Iraq sprinkled with anecdotal "facts" provided in large part by unnamed sources, according to Hanson. I'll take Hanson's word for it and save myself the trouble. You want to read Ricks' book, knock yourself out.

16 posted on 12/24/2006 1:05:30 PM PST by TADSLOS (Mohammed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his time.)
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To: Nicholas Conradin; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; SJackson; dennisw; ...


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17 posted on 12/24/2006 5:36:17 PM PST by Tolik
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To: Nicholas Conradin
Well, the criticism could be leveled from several completely different directions, summarized below in a deliberately cartoonish form:
1. from "leftists" - does not deserve repeating.
2. from "realists" - not enough troops. More troops would solve everything. [For Israelis, 60 years of overwhelming military superiority somehow has not solved everything, but what do they know?]
3. from "troglodytes", or "Huntingtonians": the measure and definition of success is breaking the enemy's will to fight. In the inter-civilizational war this will is rooted in the enemy's very civilizational identity. Breaking it has always required genocidal bloodbaths. Thus the first error was not jump-promoting erstwhile Lieutenant William Calley a Lieutenant General and then not sending him there as a theater commander. Everything else followed from it.
18 posted on 12/24/2006 5:50:03 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Alberta's Child
How many times has Victor Davis Hanson been to Iraq?

Irrelevant.

How many times have I had diptheria?
I can still discuss it.

19 posted on 12/24/2006 6:26:35 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Santiago de la Vega
These days whenever I think of foreign policy, I think, "WWAJD?"

"What would Andy Jackson do?"

I like to think I know...

20 posted on 12/24/2006 6:30:55 PM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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