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1 posted on 12/20/2006 3:27:21 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Liberterrarian.


2 posted on 12/20/2006 3:28:28 PM PST by agooga (Let the Wookie win!!!)
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To: neverdem

Bob Barr will be debating in NYC in January on guess what topic? Medical marijuana.


3 posted on 12/20/2006 3:30:19 PM PST by firebrand
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To: neverdem

This should be interesting.


4 posted on 12/20/2006 3:30:55 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: neverdem
I had a run in with a Libertarian the other day. He was more Liberal than the Liberals. Then he said, we Conservatives weren't Conservative. I smiled and thought, wow,and we thought Liberals were dangerous!
5 posted on 12/20/2006 3:31:10 PM PST by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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Ping


6 posted on 12/20/2006 3:33:48 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
The basic problem with the Libertarian Party is the same problem faced by all third parties: It cannot win.

It can make a major party lose however.
8 posted on 12/20/2006 3:34:24 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: neverdem
"In place of the party, there should arise a new libertarian interest group organized like the National Rifle Association or the various pro- and anti-abortion groups."

As soon as this party starts to gain a significant following, the Republican Party will adopt the same platform. You don't think they're going to just sit back and lose.

Now, that's good for us, but spells doom for the third party. Once they're gone, the Republican Party goes back to what they were doing before.

11 posted on 12/20/2006 3:42:05 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: neverdem

The only advantage to officially belonging to a party is participating in the "primary process." Otherwise it is pointless.



Even after a voter changes official party designation or claims independent status, the original party still probably bombards the voter with spam, begging for cash.

Independent and off the radar is the best bet.


16 posted on 12/20/2006 4:01:31 PM PST by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006)
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To: neverdem

Republicans keep making the same false assumption about the liberal-tarians. They keep thinking these people are on our side and groan every time we lose a close race by less than the votes a liberal-tarian gets. This is a waste of time. These people aren't our voters. The rat is the one who should moan when WE win a close race like that. liberal-tarians are just democrats who don't like hearing that they are out loud. Barr is a jerk. He was and may still be on the board of the aclu. You do the math.


17 posted on 12/20/2006 4:01:41 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Millions of Democrat babies aborted in 1988 or earlier did not vote this year.)
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To: neverdem

The problem is, the Republicans haven't given people who don't agree with the religious right, pork-barrel spending, or general incompetence much of an alternative.


20 posted on 12/20/2006 4:04:29 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: neverdem
In short, the Electoral College imposes a two-party system on the country that makes it prohibitively difficult for third parties to compete.

He's right. Next Election, vote either Federalist, Whig, or Democratic-Republican!

21 posted on 12/20/2006 4:15:15 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: neverdem
Libertarians seem to cover a large swath of the political spectrum; some are more on the liberal side (especially when it comes to social issues), but many are also on the conservative side (especially for un(?)social issues).

opinion.

22 posted on 12/20/2006 4:17:17 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: neverdem
It is silly to plot where libertarans are on a single axis chart. If Dems are left on the X axis and Reps are right, libertarians are up on the y axis and statists are down.

That said, it becomes clear that the guiding philosophies can overlap as you move out on the diagonals. Free-love lefties vs commie lefties vs rugged individualist capitalist righties vs blue law prohibitionist righties.
23 posted on 12/20/2006 4:21:02 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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...if a party cannot win at the presidential level, it is very unlikely to achieve success at lower levels of government.

I think that's about as wrong as it can be. It's the LP's failure to build a party structure at the state and local level that keeps them from winning much of anything. You need canvassers and envelope stuffers, people to make coffee and sandwiches, gofers, somebody who can meet the guest speaker and make sure he has a room reserved....

You know, all that boring stuff that Libertarians are too high-minded to bother with.

36 posted on 12/20/2006 4:52:20 PM PST by Grut
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To: neverdem

So how the Hell was the Republican Party born? Immaculate conception? The problem with the LP is the kook leadership that focuses on drugs, porn, & prostitutes instead of limiting government & getting us out of the UN. Plus they're ambiguous on some of the issues. If they spent more time on the latter they'd get somewhere.


37 posted on 12/20/2006 4:52:39 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: neverdem
What he is recommending seems to be the way the Conservative Party in New York is organized.

A few times they will run their own candidates, but they seem to mostly recommend the least objectionable of the viable candidates.

If the Libertarian Party were to just refuse to nominate its own candidate until such time as a very high profile person is willing to step into that position, then they might get more respect and have more success.

Existing as a party with the skills and manpower to help support other candidates would be a good selling point in the short run until they can attract someone reasonable to run as a Libertarian.

38 posted on 12/20/2006 4:55:20 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: neverdem
The Libertarian Party is worse than a waste of time. I believe it has done far more to hamper the advancement of libertarian ideas and policies than it has done to advance them

Ah I see. The existence of the Libertarian Party is what made Republicans move to the left since 1994. Because they existed to forward the idea of limited government and less bureaucracy, the Republicans had to move to the left to counter the effect...It's so clear now.....

Theoretically, this is no barrier to third parties at the state and local level. But in practice, if a party cannot win at the presidential level, it is very unlikely to achieve success at lower levels of government. In short, the Electoral College imposes a two-party system on the country that makes it prohibitively difficult for third parties to compete.

And how does it do that again? Oh, because you say it does and don't offer any corraborating evidence to prove your point.

At times, serious people have tried to get control of the Libertarian Party and make it a viable organization. But in the end, the crazies who like the party just as it is have always run them off.

And this would be different from the Republican party who has to deal with threats from social theocrats who desire to impose morality at the federal level each and every election? And he wonders why people are leaving the party?

There are quite a few social conservatives out there that also believe in limited government (like myself). That believe the original intent was to leave moral issues to the separate and sovereign states, not advocate passing an Amendment anytime someone wanted 'their' cause standardized. And if the only choice is voting for Sen. Nutball who wants to involve the federal government in what are clearly state decisions and Rep. Spend-a-lot who's never seen a program he didn't like, I'll continue to vote Libertarian or write in a candidate.

Contrary to this author's view, the Framers did not necessarily see nor intend a division of only two parties. Washington warned against it and yet this 'conservative' is saying if you don't buy into it, you're hurting the cause. Although the cause of getting his 'team' to top of the hill is about the only 'cause' you're hurting

41 posted on 12/20/2006 5:01:20 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: neverdem
"The basic problem with the Libertarian Party is the same problem faced by all third parties: It cannot win. The reason is that under the Constitution a candidate must win an absolute majority in the all-important Electoral College."

No. The reason Libertarians can win is because 97% of America and holding knows better.

48 posted on 12/20/2006 5:31:41 PM PST by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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To: neverdem
Why LPer's will lose...

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OPEN BORDER POLICY

61 posted on 12/20/2006 6:12:22 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: neverdem
In place of the party, there should arise a new libertarian interest group organized like the National Rifle Association or the various pro- and anti-abortion groups. ( From the Article)

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GOOD idea!
80 posted on 12/21/2006 5:10:00 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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