Posted on 12/18/2006 10:58:24 AM PST by kronos77
New York, 18 Dec. (AKI) - Serbs living in the United States are reported to be deeply disturbed and worried by recent arrests of fellow Serbs in connection with the 1990s Balkan wars, community leaders have said. In a six-state swoop, American agents arrested 13 Serb immigrants last week and are looking for another three who are still at large. One of those arrested, Nedjo Ikonic, is being investigated for allegedly having taken part in the massacre of up to 8,000 Muslim men and boys in the eastern Bosnian town of Srebrenica when it was overrun by Serb forces in July 1995.
If convicted, Ikonic and other suspects face up to ten years in jail and deportation from the US. "These cases demonstrate our resolve to identify and prosecute those who enter the US under false pretences," said deputy attorney general Paul McNulty. "Especially those who hide their military past," he added.
Those arrested were poor immigrants who had no money for lawyers of bail to defend themselves from freedom, the Serbian consul in Chicago, Desko Nikitovic, told Vesti daily. He said Serbia could not help them because most were Bosnian citizens.
"Unfortunately, this is a huge operation in which only Bosnia-Herzegovina can intervene with Washington. No-one needs to spoil the relations between our two countries, which have been improving," said Nikitovic.
Milwaukee lawyer, Nikola Kostic, said he was trying to organise a team to offer legal help to the arrested and their families, because neither Serbia nor Serb organisations in America have shown much interest in helping the suspects.
"Serbs are being hunted throughout America, but no one is checking Bosnian Muslims and Croats who have immigrated to the United States in the past 10-15 years," Zika Petrovic of Denver, Colorado, told Vesti. "No one asks them whether they have concealed what they did in the wars, what army they served and whether they committed crimes against Serbs," Petrovic said. "All this is creating an unfortunate impression that the war against Bosnian Serbs has now shifted to US soil," he concluded.
Vesti, distributed throughout Serbian emigre community - which numbers a million in the US - said that there is a list of over 300 people, submitted to the United States by Bosnian authorities and the United Nations' Yugoslav war crimes tribunal, who are suspected of having committed crimes during the 1992-1995 Bosnian civil war.
Officially, the suspects are being charged for failing to report to immigration authorities that they served in the Bosnian Serb army, which fought against local Muslims. (Vpr/Aki)
Dec-18-06 15:00
Red "poor upbringing and low end education"6 , you wrote
"What do you have that is of substance to add to this discussion?"
Small point, oh wise one. You're claiming that Hitler , Stalin and Mao only murdered 1,000's.
THOUSANDS .
You said it .
Correction . You didn't even say "murdered" , but "killed".
So, according to you , only "1,000s" of Jews were "killed" by Hitler in the Holocaust .
You just don't get it .
How was Iran BTW .
You also wrote
"Besides name calling, screaming, what do you have as an argument?"
Two points
a) See above
and
b) you called yourself an idiot , remember? You said you couldn't compensate for a poor upbringing and low end education . Remember ? Or are you an amnesiac too ?
And then you added
"Thank you, you my argument easy."
make doesn't sense any that.
Your posts are hilarious , Red"dysfunctional and slow witted"6 .
HILARIOUS .
half-truth is what you wrote..the media did the majority of the "making your people look bad". US News and World Report did an article on my units mission. They picked apart "quotes" and gave a misinformed story. Go figure as if you believe all those stories from the 90s to current, you are as naive as a five year old kid, bucko.
At the time I lived in Germany, if you read the posts you'd know that. I as the rest of Western Europe saw very well who the refugees where, what some of them looked like, how some of them showed visible signs of abuse, and you can play make belief all you want today, there were many EU representatives, UN troops before NATO came in, various NATO forces from several nations who reported the same. There is a reason why the international court has found 48 senior political and military leaders (Most Serb) guilty of war crimes after an intense and in depth investigation of these alleged acts.
But we all know, the UN Protection Force was making these things up. The International Court in The Hague is a kangaroo court that has it out for the Serbs. Troops from various NATO countries are conspiring in this grand cover up where the Serbs really didn’t commit these atrocities and were actually just the victims of Muslim Jihadists. Of course the media is just spinning it and the national governments in Europe that were receiving the refugees of this war are also making that up…… I got it.
Now, back to reality. Not every Serb is bad. Not every Muslim was a victim and they too did bad things to Serbs. However, as a “state” it was Serbia that had the motive, will, and capabilities to wage war. It was their political and military leadership that like in Nazi Germany systemically engaged in illegal activities. It was the Serbs who did NOT want to stop this conflict and had to be forced to secede military operations through NATO armed intervention. Had some resemblance of justice not been brought into the Balkans, the Serbs would not have done anything to those who deliberately committed war crimes. Crimes for which people 60 years earlier were hung. The same sort of crimes which the Serbs accuse the Germans of in WWII are those the Serbs today attempt to rationalize since they were the ones committing them on others.
The rest, is all rhetorical nonsense. It’s polemics that lacks a rational and feasible basis when analyzed in depth. Concocting 911 conspiracies and connections, speculating about oil motivations for NATO intervention, attempting to claim that Serbia was the victim, denying the atrocities committed, all this does not make you look any better.
You wrote to Red"Hitler , Mao and Stalin only killed 1,000's"6
"you are as naive as a five year old kid, bucko."
That's a terrible slur. Really it is. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a comparison. You've gone way too far this time with your insults , really you have .
Now . I want you to apologise to all the naive 5 year olds of the world .
RIGHT NOW.
From Red"Wikipedia"6
"the Nazi killing thousands like the Maoist, or Stalinist"
I can see the headline now .
( STOP PRESS STOP PRESS
Serbophobe claims Nazis only killed 1,000s . Mao and Stalin were cruelly maligned too .
STOP PRESS STOP PRESS )
With enemies like you , who needs friends.
"the Nazi killing thousands like the Maoist, or Stalinist"
You were a joke before writing that.....but after writing it ?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONY
So let's do a summary.
a) Hitler only killed thousands , which makes you a Holocaust denier ( amongst other things ) .
b) Mao only killed in the 1,000's too . So the Cultural Revolution or Great Leap Forward didn't in fact consume an entire generation . This was simply an evil lie put out by his enemies no doubt .
c) Stalin only killed 1,000s too . Ah ! You know , it's all beginning to make so much sense now . All those Gulags were , in fact , wonderful places . The Great Purges of the army in the 30's never occurred , nor the famine in the Ukraine , etc . More nasty , vile propaganda put out by Stalin's enemies .
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONY . You should have a badge made . How about a tatoo on the forehead .
1- what the media allowed you to TV-witness
2- what you wanted to believe do to your gullibility of a 5 year old bucko.
The brutality scenes you "witnessed" were only hearsay as very minimal proof was ever found to be true. **hiccup** 100,000 dead Albanians. eghad,ergo!
What you saw on tv was orchestrated and the natural outcome of how "refugees" should look like, disheveled.
I'm going to let you fritter away on this so I will have plenty more to come back at you.
you are putting words in my mouth as i never denied any allegations, nor attempted to give distorted 'truths'.
Your feebality is evident. I won't say more as I do not wish to spoil your Christmas festive mood.
Hristos Se Rodi.
- So the EU reports from delegations that went there are false?
- So the UN Protection Force lied in what they saw and reported on first hand? Sure, the Danes were also part of your collusion. It was Danish troops that as part of the UN Protection Force, under UN mandate in the Balkans were ambushed by Serb forces. They reported on atrocities first hand as they watched since they did not have the authorization to shoot unless protecting themselves. Tell us, were the Serbs acting outside of international law when they took 400 UN troops hostage, and paraded them on their TV? Was that an act of a lone single Serb, or was it a “state sponsored and planned event directed by a general?” Maybe that is made up? How about out right attacks against UN observation posts; French manned BTW? Are the French also colluding against you?
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1999/03/20/ribic990319.html The whole original topic was how some Serbs were arrested in the US for an alleged involvement in crimes. Well, here’s a story from a few years about those UN troops you used as human shields and a Serb Canada wants extradited for his involvement in this act which probably never happened according to you. This is obviously a story that is “made up” by the Canadian media which is also colluding.
Here you go: http://www.unprofor.dk/sider/forside.asp You can tell the Danish VETs that they are making it up. The Serbs really weren’t the ones that shot at them while they were there under a UN mandate. Maybe you can tell them they really didn’t see what they say they saw and that they should stop lying.
- So the NATO troops when they came in later were making it all up as well? Of course the Belgians, Germans, French, British….all are in on the conspiracy against you. http://www.nato.int/docu/facts/2000/role-bih.htm
- So the International Tribunal is just on a witch hunt, and in actuality didn't investigate in depth nor was fair? All their findings were erroneous?
http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/kar-ii950724e.htm What’s your excuse going to be? Mladic didn’t know? He didn’t intend to do what he did? There is no excuse. He acted in violation of international law. He’s a criminal, no different than a Nazi war criminal, who did the same sort of things, for the same perverted reasons, with the same evil outcomes. **“And you defend such actions”**
- So the nations that received the refugees of the war are making that up as well? Being “shot” or “raped” as a refugee is OK, it’s a normal disheveled appearance?
- During much of the clean up, university, FBI and other Subject Matter Experts on forensics and archeology were brought in from places like the University of Birmingham. We all know this University also has a “hidden agenda” against the Serbs, right? Are all these first hand accounts by outside experts also part of this grand collusion?
- And of course the media was conspiring as well, despite the fact that Reuters has local Serb reporters on their payroll, the Serbs operated their local TV channels and blasted the World Wide Web with a propaganda message that was state financed. They even operated a fake look a like NATO website which was all spun propaganda. The Russians and others in their state run media were acting as unofficial press agents for the Serbs. The international media is conspiring right?
What happened in the Balkans, as with the Holocaust was so flagrantly in violation of international law, some had their hands in the pot so deep, they could not feasibly claim they didn’t know, or they didn’t intend…etc. Like the piles of glasses and shoes of those going to the gas chambers, when you pull the bones out of the ground; these people were blind folded and shot, buried in mass graves; after you have the body positively identified who it was, it becomes difficult to deny what happened.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/unprof_b.htm
What you hope to do is rewrite history and deny the events surrounding “war crimes”. You can do that all you wish, in the meantime 48 are convicted and many more are fugitives.
From Red"Wikipedia"6
"What you hope to do is rewrite history and deny the events surrounding "war crimes" . "
Oh , the irony. So thick , you put a tail on it and call it a raccoon .
This comes from someone who claimed that Mao's , Stalin's and Hitler's victims only numbered in the 1,000's. That's right , the thousands .
Wonderfully funny, Red6
And to make the irony that little bit richer, the KLA ( with NATO's approval ) have started renaming schools and streets after NAZI collaborators . And, of course, the Bosnian Islamist leader , Izetbegovich , was one of the senior recruiters for the HANDZAR division .
Your heroes .
Keep up the HOLOCAUST revisionism , Red6 , I'm sure "The Boys from Brazil" will be thrilled .
And being a NAZI apologist is just so retro chic nowadays .
When someone writes things like "The Serbs killing thousands like the Nazi killing thousands like the Maoist, or Stalinist" hates you , you just know you're doing something right .
Equating the crimes by the NAZIs , MAO and STALIN with "killing" "1,000s" .
Tut tut tut , what will your forebears who gave their lives on the beaches of Normandy and over the skies of Korea think ?
You are a rascal , Red6 .
a) the expulsion of the entire Jewish community in Kosovo by the KLA with NATO onlookers
and
b) the VRS ( that's the Bosnian Serb Army as Wikipedia probably won't cover it for you ) getting most support ( both materiel and intelligence ) from the IDF
Welcome to the bizarro world of Hitler apologist extraordinaire , Red6 .
Red6 thinks Hitler only "killed" ( not "murdered" but the neutral term "killed" ) 1,000s which puts him firmly in the "NAZIs-are-misunderstood-camp" . He goes one better than the David Irvings of the world as he's also shilling for Stalin too . Yes . STALIN . No , he goes two better . He's also an apologist for Mao . Yes , MAO .
Anyway , check this little thing of beauty out .
" From Mao to Stalin or yes Milosevic and Hitler, these regimes tend to be sociopathic towards those they see as their enemies or lesser."
The first thing to note is the moral equivalence . The Bosnian war took 100,000 lives .
In total . Civilian . Military . Serb . Croat . Muslim . 100,000.
Note , as all Hitler apologists do , he's now equating Hitlers crimes with "100,000" "killed" . So no longer did Hitler murder 6,000,000 Jews . How could he ? According to Red"shilling for Hitler"6 , Hitler only killed at most 100,000 . All those Holocaust survivors must be lying .
Someone apologise to Hitler .
Same with Stalin and the labor camps in Siberia .
Nothing but an elaborate hoax to tarnish comrade Stalin's glorious name .
Likewise , Mao and the slaughter of millions upon millions of Chinese .
Poor Mao , he was so misunderstood , for he only "killed 100,000" .
I have the sneaking feeling that Mao wannabe , Stalin apologist and all round Hitler lover , Red6 , is unaware about the start of the Bosnian civil war .
a)The Cutileiro plan in March 1992 was signed by Mate Boban ( the Bosnian Croat leader ) and the Bosnian Serb leadership of Karadzic, but Izetbegovic withdrew his signature a week after signing . This plan would have headed off civil war in Bosnia . Both the Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats signed the last chance to preserve peace and to avoid any conflict in Bosnia . The Islamists didn't . Izetbegovic in fact said he'd prefer war to peace if the peace meant Bosnia couldn't cede .
A full year before civil war broke out , and the muslims had already set up the so called Patriotic League. It contained 120,000 armed men according to Sefer Halilovic the commander of the Main Staff of the Muslim Army
b)Before the Civil war broke out , on the 26th of March, 1992, a large massacre of Serbs in the area of Bosanski Brod in the village of Sijekovac when entire families were massacred.
c)4th of April that exactly when Serb refugees from Barice and Kostres were killed by armed Muslims, inhabitants of the village of Korace, when 117 Serbs were killed, including old men, women, and children.
d)The acts formally declaring war were passed at the beginning of April by the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina in the absence of Serb members and in the absence of one of the Muslim leaders, Fikret Abdic ( the secular Muslim leader who supported the Serbs ) , when a decision was taken on mobilisation. And then on the 8th of April, the immediate threat of war was declared and the Republican Staff of Territorial Defence was abolished and the TO of Bosnia-Herzegovina founded.
But the Bosnian Serbs wanted , desired and strove for war at all costs , according to Red"Hitler deserves an apology"6 .
The guys a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONY
Why don't we bring up Gorazde 1993-4? Care to tango in that region of operations, bucko? Let's discuss Caco and the "Sarajevo Seige" that was self-emplaced by the muslim police and army. On direct orders from Alija, all those who leave SA must pay a bounty or, yes egad, be shot.
Your 'self-rightousness' attempt begets no 72 virgins you expect to recieve from your muslim friends you carelessly defend.
Now , he's getting all the locations mixed up .
I think he's taken a leaf out of Paddy "I'm not sure If I'm in Serbia or Albania" Ashdown's book .
"That's because your analogy (Serbia=Nazi-Germany) is ill-conceived"
Surely the understatement of this century .
The freedom of movement of civilians in Sarajevo was agreed in December, 1992 . The idea was for civilians to move to freedom using corridors guarded by UNPROFOR . The Bosnian Croats and Serbs had demanded this agreement . Izebegovic was extremely reluctant to agree .
After the signing , a couple of dozen buses of Serbs and Croats were evacuated , even the odd Slovene but not a single Muslim was evacuated .
Or as the prosecution witness testified , under oath
"However, the Presidency ( of Izetbegovic ) would not allow a single Muslim to leave Sarajevo."
The reasons were simple ( quote from same prosecution witness against Milosevic )
" Able-bodied men from 18 to 65 and women from 18 to 60 were not allowed to leave because they were essential for the defence of the town, but their main reason was a different one. The Serb siege in the propaganda war evoked compassion on the part of the world, and that is why they needed the elderly and the children to remain. That was their most emotional propaganda weapon to draw the Americans into the war, and they didn't want that to weaken."
This propaganda tactic also explains why
a) the Muslim Govt refused to allow Srebrenica civilians to leave , or to allow bartering between the Serb villagers adjacent to Srebrenica and the Muslims in the town to take place ( the Serbs had wanted to be able to barter with the Muslims )
b) the Muslims vastly inflated their casualty rates for the entire war . It was not untypical for the Muslim apologists to claim that a quarter of a million Muslims had been killed in the war . The total killed in the four way civil war was 100,000
Finally the prosecution witness concluded
"The position of the Presidency was highly delicate. They had been defeated on the battlefield, and it is quite certain that in the strategic sense so far as the war was concerned, at least, it is considered normal for the Presidency ( of Izetbegovic ) to reject a major step towards peace."
Let's not beat about the bush.
It was the Islamists in Sarajevo who , time after time , were the obstacles to peace in Bosnia
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