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Will we ever win another war?
Townhall ^ | Wednesday, December 6, 2006 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 12/06/2006 7:25:53 AM PST by presidio9

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To: I still care
People have no concept of what war is, what it is suppposed to be. As Rush says, "The purpose of war is to kill people and break things."

Rush is wrong, and so are you. The method of war is certainly to do that.

But it would be the pinnacle of evil to believe that killing and breaking was the only purpose of war.

41 posted on 12/06/2006 7:48:52 AM PST by r9etb
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To: presidio9
Depressing reading.

Frankly, as long as either the physical extermination or complete isolation of Islam is ruled out (and it is) our best hope in the long run is a massive Christian revival inside the Muslim peoples. But, we don't control that. The Holy spirit does.

42 posted on 12/06/2006 7:49:50 AM PST by Gritty (It's the intersection of demography and Islamism that makes time a luxury we can't afford-Mark Steyn)
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To: r9etb

Are we going to love the enemy to death?


43 posted on 12/06/2006 7:49:55 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: GWB00
When the financial impact is so great that your average American cannot eat at Applebees every Saturday night for a prolonged period of time then you will see a fight.

I was talking to a friend of mine who is middle level at The Pentagon the other day. He says this is now the thinking. America will not wake up and support the kind of action that must occur, everything form assassinations to scorched earth, until after Saudi Arabia falls and Iran nucs Israel. This is when gas will cost $30 a gallon because we did not drill in ANWAR etc.

44 posted on 12/06/2006 7:50:01 AM PST by outofstyle
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To: presidio9

Depends a lot on your definition of war...


45 posted on 12/06/2006 7:50:20 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: From One - Many
Are we going to love the enemy to death?

Next time, think before you post.

46 posted on 12/06/2006 7:52:12 AM PST by r9etb
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To: presidio9

Maybe I'm mistaken but I believe we won the war a while ago and now the nation building isn't wrapping up as quickly as people would like it to.


47 posted on 12/06/2006 7:52:17 AM PST by weef
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To: presidio9
Only if we combine our Cold War vigilance with our World War II ruthlessness

Too many people in this country lack the will for the 1st criteria and sufficient testosterone for the 2nd. Even a few on this forum, though still a minority here.

At this point in our history, I have to regretfully answer, "NO". Ever? That is a whole seperate discussion. Contemplating what it would take for this nation to discover will and ruthlessness again is something no sane person would want to explore, even in the privacy of one's own mind.

48 posted on 12/06/2006 7:52:19 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: r9etb

So answer the question....


49 posted on 12/06/2006 7:52:51 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: presidio9

Gates is a disaster in advance. His tone is defeatist.


50 posted on 12/06/2006 7:53:51 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Crusades were indigenous peoples' counter-attacks against imperialist foreign Muslim invaders)
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To: r9etb; dfwgator

It depends on the goal. Holding Iraq is fine, punishing Iran and Syria is priceless. We don't have to occupy them, just remove their leadership and do a lot of damage.


51 posted on 12/06/2006 7:54:37 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: presidio9

Nope.

We are a nation of pu$$ie$.

So self assured in our agnostic post modernism, certain in our uncertainty, which is certainly not worth killing or dying for.

Liberalism is a mental disorder with suicidal ideations.


52 posted on 12/06/2006 7:55:47 AM PST by NeoCaveman (I support our troops when they open fire on our journalists (and all other times too, of course))
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To: Diogenesis
For a minute I thought they guy was talking to Harry Reid
53 posted on 12/06/2006 7:56:35 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: presidio9
I disagree with the author and most of the posts here; why did we fail to win all the other wars since WWII? It is not the MSM, the dispersion of the enemy ideology, that is at the root of the problem, it is the restructuring of our command structure and national defense system during and following the second world war in response to the nuclear threat. Military commanders could not be trusted to make such huge decisions, so the executive branch took over.

A country wins wars by having great generals; what is the purpose of a general officer in command of an army or army group? To win. He alone should have complete control over how to do that including selecting the best strategic, operational and tactical strategies and COAs. Since WWII the executive branch has refused to permit this, first just for nuclear matters, but eventually for nearly everything; the civilian leadership makes the strategic decisions, and many of the operational decisions, and even suggests/approves the tactical operations. If you want to win wars, you let generals fight them their way, with their own ROEs and with the full support of the executive branch. If this were the case, the people back home could not influence war plans once congressional approval for declaration of war occurs (another thing that is necessary and omitted from each conflict since WWII).

54 posted on 12/06/2006 7:56:52 AM PST by LambSlave (If you have to ask permission, it is not a right.)
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"The" war started a long time ago. It has no uniform, but is very much the enemy and the main problem of our times. I don't know how it can be defeated, but defeated it must be.

"The" enemy, is, and will be for the foreseeable future, is
Political Correctness. It is slowly destroying this great country.


55 posted on 12/06/2006 7:57:27 AM PST by Jeffrey_D. (Seek first to understand, then to be understood)
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To: presidio9
We will NEVER win another WAR, this WHILE WINNING EVERY BATTLE, unless or until we get rid of the PC that has permeated our SOCIETY and now has full inculcated the United States Military.

We need to get LAWYERS out of the foxholes and into the court room for military tribunals.

We should NOT shudder at the thought of tactical nuclear weapons use and we should REALIZE & TEACH our nation that the MISSION of Islamonazis is the TOTAL ERADICATION of Western Civilization.

In short we have to TOTALLY COMMIT as a NATION as we did in WWII, EVERYTIME, we go to war, if we are ever to win THIS or ANY other WAR!!

56 posted on 12/06/2006 7:57:41 AM PST by PISANO
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We won't win if we continue to value PC over liberty. We elected a Muslim to Congress. Muslims do not believe in multicultural melting pots, religious tolerance or free speech. Yet we allow one of their members, who likely wants to see Sharia Law as the law of the land, into our law-writing body.

Freedom of religion doesn't allow cannibals to eat each other in our country and shouldn't allow those who would not uphold the Constitution to take a Taqiyah oath to do so.

As the article pointed out, there will only be PC and multiculturalism until the Muslims take over...


57 posted on 12/06/2006 7:57:49 AM PST by pgyanke (Gay marriage does to real marriage what counterfeit money does to real money. - Hemogoblin)
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To: Mr. Right Now

That's a very good observation.


58 posted on 12/06/2006 7:59:59 AM PST by pgyanke (Gay marriage does to real marriage what counterfeit money does to real money. - Hemogoblin)
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To: reagan_fanatic
Now, the majority of Americans just sit on their asses and bitch. It will take a calamity to change that.

I agree. I thought 911 would wake us up. It did, but then we hit the snooze button.

59 posted on 12/06/2006 8:00:01 AM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Youngman442002

The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'

Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching


60 posted on 12/06/2006 8:00:03 AM PST by DaiHuy (There is no problem so great it cannot be solved with the application of explosives.)
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