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UK police find radiation in Berezovsky's office building -1(Godfather of the Kremlin)
RIAN ^ | 11/28/2006 | Editor

Posted on 11/28/2006 6:00:28 AM PST by GarySpFc

LONDON, November 28 (RIA Novosti) - British police said Tuesday they had found traces of a radioactive isotope believed to have killed a Russian ex-spy, in an office building of his associate, fugitive Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky.

Alexander Litvinenko, a Russian intelligence defector, died Thursday in a London hospital with symptoms of radioactive poisoning. British health officials said Friday a large dose of Po-210, a toxic uranium by-product, had been found in his body.

Berezovsky, a billionaire with British citizenship wanted in Russia for fraud, whose office is located at 7 Down Street, Mayfair, declined to comment on the radiation discovery.

"I will make no comments until Scotland Yard finishes its investigation. Let others comment, I will wait," he said over the phone.

The businessman also declined to say whether he had been questioned by police.

Litvinenko, an outspoken critic of President Vladimir Putin, who defected from Russia's security service in 2000 and became a British national in October, reportedly visited the building to make a copy of documents he had received from an Italian contact, Mario Scaramella, on November 1.

Litvinenko said Scaramella had sent him an e-mail relating to an investigation into the killing of his friend, investigative journalist and Kremlin opponent Anna Politkovskaya, who was gunned down in Moscow in October.

Polonium-210 radiation traces have also been discovered at 25 Grosvenor Square, about 400 yards from Millenium Hotel where Litvinenko met with his Russian contacts on November 1.

Nikolai Kovalev, former head of the KGB's successor, the FSB, said the discovery of polonium in Berezovsky's office could imply his involvement in Litvinenko's death.

"Boris Berezovsky's involvement has been further proved," Kovalev said, adding that Berezovsky and Litvinenko could have been preparing an operation using polonium.

After Litvinenko died, the Western press circulated a statement allegedly written by him, in which Litvinenko accused the Kremlin of orchestrating his death.

"The ultimate target of the operation could have been to promote KGB phobia, and to show that Russia is ruled by KGB people," said Kovalev, also a member of parliament.

Kovalev said Berezovsky, if he is involved in the incident, had already taken care of his alibi and would now accuse special services of trying to kill him.

"He is keeping silent, which means he is preparing for a news conference where he will say he had expected polonium traces to be found in his office, and will start saying on all corners that the special services tried to kill him," Kovalev said.

Kovalev said Litvinenko could have neglected safety rules in handling a polonium container.

"The container was handed over to Litvinenko, but the curious young man got into it or did something wrong, contrary to Berezovsky's scenario," he said.

Another possibility, he said, could be that Berezovsky deliberately poisoned Litvinenko.

"I do not rule it out that there was some plan aimed against Litvinenko," Kovalev said. "Perhaps, Boris Abramovich [Berezovsky's patronymic] wanted to kill several birds with one stone."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: litvinenko; putin; russia
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To: Kozak

I don't believe you.


21 posted on 11/28/2006 1:44:16 PM PST by GarySpFc
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To: GarySpFc

Which part?


22 posted on 11/28/2006 1:45:40 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: GarySpFc

By the way I don't believe a former "Special Forces" guy could be such a lick spittle for Putin and his KGB mafia. Unless of course you were Spetznaz.....


23 posted on 11/28/2006 1:55:46 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak

Go take your insults and hate elsewhere. You might want to schedule a visit with your psychologist.


24 posted on 11/28/2006 2:04:15 PM PST by GarySpFc
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To: GarySpFc

I repeat, what part don't you beleive? That I'm an experienced
ER physician with decades of treating GSW's? or the specific areas of the country I've practiced?

You sure are touchy for a big strong SF guy....


25 posted on 11/28/2006 2:08:14 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak

BTW, even if by some miracle a .380 ACP or Makarov 9X18 round shot through a silencer did pass through the skull, almost all of the energy would be spent, and the exit wound would be small.


26 posted on 11/28/2006 2:08:16 PM PST by GarySpFc
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To: GarySpFc

Now let me get this straight. You, in your experience as a weapons expert doubt a 9mm makarov round, fired at point blank range would have trouble penetrating the skull? I suppose when the NKVD gave the noodle they also pistol whipped the poor guys whenm the round bounced off.

Guess what the favorite assasin weapon of the mob is? It's a 22 cal fired with a silencer at point blank. They penetrate with no problem. The REASON they use that cal is because unlike larger calibers they DO tend to stay put in the head and just kind of bounce around inside.

Just what is your practical experience here eh? How many real no shit gun shot wounds have you seen? Like I said I've seen hundreds.


27 posted on 11/28/2006 2:31:10 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: GarySpFc

Cui Bono? Not Putin.

Many want to see this as the return of SMERSH.

For my money, I'd bet some of the RobberOligarchs hiding their illgotten gains in London are the prime suspects.


28 posted on 11/28/2006 2:35:22 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: GarySpFc

ping for further reading


29 posted on 11/28/2006 2:41:34 PM PST by Deo et Patria
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To: Kozak

Putin is a Communist soviet premier with an image team and a makeover.


30 posted on 11/28/2006 3:00:01 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: GarySpFc; Kozak

Gary, ruffling more feathers again, are we?


31 posted on 11/28/2006 5:09:45 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: GarySpFc

And the credibility of a report from the "Russian News and Information Agency", regarding an incident that makes the Russian govt look bad, is?


32 posted on 11/28/2006 5:13:43 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: GarySpFc
British police said Tuesday they had found traces of a radioactive isotope believed to have killed a Russian ex-spy, in an office building of his associate, fugitive Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky.

If he was an "associate" of Berezovsky, why would it be strange to find traces in Berezovsky's building? I would assume that associates associate every once in a while

33 posted on 11/28/2006 5:19:21 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Kozak
Now let me get this straight. You, in your experience as a weapons expert doubt a 9mm makarov round, fired at point blank range would have trouble penetrating the skull? I suppose when the NKVD gave the noodle they also pistol whipped the poor guys whenm the round bounced off.

Cut out the nonsense! The issue was Anna Polikovskaya being shot in the face or back of the head. She was shot in the face with a 9X18 Makarov. It clearly would penetrate the skull, but the kinetic energy for this round is only slightly better than the .380 ACP. I agree exit wounds are larger, but with either the .380 or Makarov round it is not going to destroy the face. Heck, the .380 most of the time will not completely traverse through a watermelon, and we are not talking about using a silencer, which slows the round down considerably. Add a silencer on the Mararov, and you will likely slow it down by half.

Guess what the favorite assasin weapon of the mob is? It's a 22 cal fired with a silencer at point blank. They penetrate with no problem. The REASON they use that cal is because unlike larger calibers they DO tend to stay put in the head and just kind of bounce around inside.

You're kidding? Special Ops never use a Ruger with a suppressor. :) However, you are only partially right regarding the reason. The sound from a 22 LR can be suppressed more than any other round.

Just what is your practical experience here eh? How many real no shit gun shot wounds have you seen? Like I said I've seen hundreds.

I honestly have not seen any wounds inflicted with a pistol, rifle yes...many.

Yes, you have seen hundreds of gunshot wounds to the head, and some were .380 ACP. I suspect some went through the head. HOWEVER, I seriously doubt you have seen either a .380 ACP or Makarov round exit a head fired from a pistol using a silencer. It ain't gonna happen. the point regarding Anna Polikovskaya being shot in the face stands.
34 posted on 11/28/2006 6:48:51 PM PST by GarySpFc
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To: SauronOfMordor

Contrary to what you have heard the media in Russia is really open, and Putin is frequently criticized on it. Funny, but we never hear about the BBC being state controlled.


35 posted on 11/28/2006 7:19:04 PM PST by GarySpFc
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To: SauronOfMordor
I would assume that associates associate every once in a while

Have you ever heard of a timeline?
36 posted on 11/28/2006 7:21:33 PM PST by GarySpFc
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To: GarySpFc

That person's view is interesting. I missed this the first time 'round.


37 posted on 11/28/2006 7:35:32 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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To: GarySpFc
You are too much. You drop an unsubstantiated " stories I've read" regarding the assassination, tie this to unsubstantiated, " clearly a Chechen hit" and voila you have confabulated a complete resolution absolving your beloved RasPutin.

I don't know if she was shot in the face, the back of the head or the side of the head. Neither do you. Nothing about the style of the assassination proves it was or wasn't a Russian government operation. Maybe they shot her just the way you describe as an attempt to cloud the issue. Russia certainly has a long history of using assassination as a tool of repression and intimidation. Events when taken in totality shows RasPutin is taking Russia back down the road to autocracy and again being an enemy of the United States.
38 posted on 11/29/2006 5:22:54 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak
True, it is an unsubstantiated story. That said, the method of blowing the face off during assassination is Chechen. Read Terror at Beslan, by John Giduck, a US Army ex-Special Forces officer. He was able to be on the scene at Beslan, while the Russians were mopping up.

You say, Russia has a long history of using assassination as a tool of repression and intimidation. If you would have said the communists have a long history of using assassination as a tool of repression and intimidation, then I would shake your hand in full agreement. However, your bigotry shows, and that is wrong. Evil is evil, and evildoers always try to absolve themselves of guilt by blaming others.
39 posted on 11/29/2006 9:43:49 AM PST by GarySpFc
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To: GarySpFc

From NRO:

"Exporting a Tradition
Vladimir Putin appears to be only the latest in the long line of Russian tsars who have upheld the tradition of assassinating anyone who stood in their way. The practice goes back at least as far as the XIVth century’s Ivan the Terrible, who killed thousands of boyars and other people, including Metropolitan Philip and Prince Alexander Gorbatyl-Shuisky for having refused to swear an oath of allegiance to his eldest son, an infant at the time. Peter the Great unleashed his political police against everybody who spoke out against him, from his own wife, to drunks who told jokes about his rule; he even had the political police lure his own son and heir, the tsarevich Aleksey, back to Russia from abroad and torture him to death. "


40 posted on 11/29/2006 11:55:02 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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