Posted on 11/27/2006 11:02:39 AM PST by News Hunter
"In God We Trust," the official national motto since 1956 and a familiar sight on U.S. coins and currency, will be hard to find on the new presidential dollar coins scheduled for release to the public Feb. 15, 2007.
The new gold-colored dollar pieces, featuring images of U.S. presidents, will move the inscription from the face of the coin to the thin edge, along with the year and the previous national motto, "E Pluribus Unum," Latin for "Out of Many, One."
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The pathetic thing is that I have been accused of being an atheist too by tpanther, when I am in point of fact a conservative Presbyterian.
Of course it's indented! And, if you haven't noticed, the year of issue, mint mark and "E Pluribus Unum" will ALSO be on the edge of the coin.
As a long time numismatist, I find the changes quite intriguing and refreshing. First, they show a presidential face looking forward (the "Return to Monticello" nickel of 2006), now they move the year and standard motto stuff to the edge, leaving more room on the coin itself for the actual design. Now, if they would do like the Brits did with the one pound coin and make it thick enough that it's obvious when reaching in your pocket that it's a dollar, not a quarter, the new coin would be almost ideal!
"God" is a convenient term for whatever one believes about the Ultimate Cause. SOMETHING is keeping all the electrons spinning around the protons and neutrons, and thus indirectly keeping everything else going. An optimistic trust that It will keep doing so is a healthy thing, regardless of what one believes or hypothesizes about the nature of It.
tpanther and his ilk are incapable of seeing past his own wants and desires. In that regard he is no different than your average two-year-old. The true measure of empathy (and humanity) is being able to put oneself in another's shoes and seeing the universe from his angle. Once one is able to do that, one is truly an adult.
Confusing post at the very least. Some clarification is in order.
Sigh...
You're wrong. "MOSTLY" Christians. NOT partly, MOSTLY.
Once more a final chance for furthering your education:
www.americanchristianhistory.com.
Take the opportunity! It won't hurt a bit! Actually consider not regurgitating what's been programmed in, but learn the truth! After all the truth will set you free, and should YOU decide to learn the truth, you might just learn there really IS a God! You might find you simply LOVE Jesus! You DESERVE the truth!
No, MOST were Christian, and the so-called "deists", as the site says, like Benjamin Franklin, believed in the Bible.
"In short, should you decide tomorrow that you no longer believe in any God, your rights as a citizen of this country would remain unimpeded."
I'm glad that you totally agree that non-believers aren't threatened in any way in this country, REGARDLESS of what Christians are doing! It's so sad that the ACLU can't seem to understand this message and continues to be so insecure that they feel threatened by Christians freely practicing their faith in public and feel an overwhelming need to BAN BAN BAN nativity scenes, santa and so forth!
But of course, this isn't what this is all about. This is all about the deterioration and outright war on Christian heritage and culture from the left.
But anyone (with the ability to objectively understand another person's values and what is important to them), can easily understand that the ACLU, when it singles out Christians by attacking decades established nativity scenes, and banning the word Christmas from school calendars, among other things; can see that Christians are under attack. NOT Jews, muslims, or atheists.
What's TRULY amazing, is that Christians ARE so tolerant, that they didn't feel so insecure that they felt the need to actually chisel in the Ten Commandments onto those "blank" tablets Moses is holding on the Supreme Court Building!
BTW, it's the 10 Commandments all right. We all know it is, just because it's blank only means that people thought even the simplest of minds would understand that Moses didn't have blank tablets given from God!
As has been said, it's symbolism, not the actual tablets!
If I saw a bronze statue of Brett Favre in Green Bay (or anywhere for that matter), and there was no G inscripted on the side of his helmet, I would still understand he was a packer when he goes into the HOF!
Very sad.
You might want to do some research on when "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance. Hint: it wasn't at "the country's inception."
What a hoot!
Yet it's "my ilk" that are consistently and constantly under attack!
I won't bite Junior.
I'm not so insecure.
One isn't reading about the non-Christians under attack. Nope, the posts are ALL about the ACLU attacking nativity scenes, etc. etc. etc.
Which begs the question...just who is it again that's incapable of putting ones wants and desires aside for only a moment and seeing the relaity of the situation!?
Uh-huh.
A tired old play from a broken down playbook.
Attack and call names and then scream bloody murder at Christians for daring to defend themselves. Seen it all before, way too many times.
I guess the next play was to bleat out what a terrible Christian I am for responding to your trap and tricks.
I guess you were expecting to see your own behavior manifest itself in me.
Oh well.
Another swing and a miss.
The early Christians, being fed to the lions, were persecuted. No matter how much you want to be a martyr, I'm afraid that your travails aren't even close.
Another insecure & fantastic leap of logic.
And YOU might want to look up the term so on and so forth.
I see. You take things so literal, like your friend that actually believes Moses received a blank tablet from God... that you actually think I meant these VERY symbols, when I clearly meant these CHRISTIAN symbols.
OK, a fair enough mistake.
I never implied that it was. I said Christian heritage and these symbols have been apparent from the inception. As they are!
www.americanchristianhistory.com
I get it. Not a single one of you ACLU types are gonna bother looking at the site, which totally dismantles your arguments, while endlessly bleating programmed left wing Bezerkly drivel!
And why would you? I can understand that you're way too insecure to undo what's been spoon-fed down your throats! Drink the kool-aid! It is your right! FURTHER proof this is hardly a theocracy, once again PROVING the nativities and the other Christian symbols being attacked aren't REALLY threatening to you, AT ALL!
It's been fun, but also quite tiresome.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste, but so is my time! ;)
So tootles.
I'll leave you all feeling as though you somehow "won" the "debate", satisfied that 90% of FR understands the wet paper bag you're desperately trying to swing your way out of won! ;)
I don't recall ever speaking to you in such an insulting and uncivil manner. If I did, I apologize.
It's called the strong nuclear force :)
Where the hell did that come from? Why does it matter that the founding fathers were christian? I've already said long ago in this thread that I wasn't arguing about Constitutionality.
Second, where are you getting "chiseling out the ten commandments" and all that other junk from? Who the hell here is saying that cause I know I wasn't. Everything I've said here so far has always been narrowly construed. What I want, from now on, is for the Treasury to stop putting "in god we trust" on our money, got it?
BTW: I'm no damn socialist or secular humanist.
"We are a constitutional republic and would you folks take the semantics arguments to someone who cares?"
Wrong is wrong. And, as I said, we are a representative republic. The Constitution is the formal document by which the rules of our republic is governed (it is the contract between The People and The Government).
The term "constitutional republic" is devoid of any significant meaning.
It isn't semantics. Words mean things. "Majority rules" suggests a deep misunderstanding of our system (not that you used the term).
I guess we just have a different understanding of the word "selfish". My service as a soldier has definitely been to my advantage. It is so important to me that my family lives in a great and free country, that I'll sacrifice my life for it. For me, there is no greater description of selfishness.
The basis of selfishness is doing something for the "self" and not anything else. I wouldn't wear the uniform because you wanted me to- that would be "selfless"- doing something that has no importance to my "self".
Freepers have been very informative and interesting, and most of all, compassionate. There is no need to address me as sir, since I view everyone here as a friend and on informal terms. It was, however, very kind of you.
Where are these two mutually exclusive? The Constitution has been reinterpreted to mean something the secularists want it to mean, not what the founding father's gave us. Go back and reread the First Amendment and ask yourself what the intent of those words really are. While you're pondering that, also read the Federalist papers that deal with the First Amendment. Further, reread the Declaration of Independence. You are intelligent enough to determine on your own what the intent was.
Interesting point about the "in God we Trust" and the Constitution being mutually exclusive. I'll have to review the documents you mentioned in order to reply adequately. I appreciate the "you are intelligent" comment, too. ;-)
I sense that we'll agree on 90% of this discussion. I'll defend this country forever and the freedom we have to openly debate touchy subjects- especially when I'm right (I had to get that in there...)
Have a great evening.
The Births to unmarried women rate is highest in the Bible Belt and where there's a lot of illegal immigrants (who are of course overwhelmingly Christian)
Perhaps there is a direct correlation to the elimination of God from our culture and the abysmal moral climate.
Quit the opposite it appears, Even though the younger generations are the most unchristian,
violent crime rate has declined, as well as the abortion rate dropped by about 25 percent for both married and unmarried women through the 1990s, The teen Pregnancy Rate Reached a Record Low, More Teenagers are saying no to sex and Drug use by teenagers continues to decline.
Words mean things: IN GOD WE TRUST.
Glad it's staying on the coin. This thing has gone on long enough. Good thing I am the only one on this thread who even mentioned such a thing. Later.
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