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It's The Economy, Stupid (Nation: Election Results Weren't Just Driven By Iraq War -huh???)
The Nation ^ | 11/21/06 | Christopher Hayes

Posted on 11/21/2006 12:14:53 PM PST by presidio9

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1 posted on 11/21/2006 12:14:55 PM PST by presidio9
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"The Republicans are here to concentrate the wealth of our country in the top 1 percent, and all the power that comes with that is at the expense of the middle class and those striving to be in the middle class — and that's just plain wrong," Pelosi said in a conference call the day after the election

This from a multi-millionaire who hires non-union labor. Do as I say, not as I do.

2 posted on 11/21/2006 12:16:50 PM PST by dirtboy (Objects in tagline are closer than they appear)
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Hey, lay off. I'm told she a grandma.


3 posted on 11/21/2006 12:22:28 PM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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To: presidio9

This was a good article. Thank you for posting it.

Webb is right about the economic issues.
Dead right.
The Republican model is skewed towards the top.
The Democrat model has been skewed towards the bottom.

Politicially, the right thing to do is skew the tax structure and job security towards the middle.


4 posted on 11/21/2006 12:22:44 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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Uh, how would you propose we legislate "job security?"


5 posted on 11/21/2006 12:24:20 PM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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To: Vicomte13

The middle and the bottom do not create jobs. Without jobs there is no job security.


6 posted on 11/21/2006 12:24:20 PM PST by rhombus
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"That's why we need to get a progressive economic agenda out there."

Bolshevism is plenty progressive. It's been Progressive for 90 years! How much more Progress do you want?? Resdistribution of Wealth, Class War, Political Elite leading the Proletariat ... It's all good, bro'. We'll catch up to Cuba one of these days.

7 posted on 11/21/2006 12:25:41 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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"The middle and the bottom do not create jobs."

Why people cannot see the simple truth in that, I'll never know.


8 posted on 11/21/2006 12:27:46 PM PST by L98Fiero (Terrorists, Communists and Liberals. All happy with a Democrat Congress)
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For later review


9 posted on 11/21/2006 12:28:52 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: rhombus

Without jobs there is no profit for the top either.
Right now, they pay less taxes as a percentage of income than those in the middle, because wages are far more heavily taxed than returns on capital.

It is fair to tax them the same, but if we are going to engage in class-skewing, which GOP policies have, then skewing the tax code in favor of dollars earned by the top is a good way to become a minority so that you can't do that anymore.

Either be fair, or lose.


10 posted on 11/21/2006 12:30:43 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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To: L98Fiero
"The middle and the bottom do not create jobs." Why people cannot see the simple truth in that, I'll never know.

There's that 4-letter word, FAIR. It is drilled into our children at an early age and people seem to think the purpose of Government is to provide "fairness".

11 posted on 11/21/2006 12:31:51 PM PST by rhombus
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To: Vicomte13

Good article ? Maybe if you are a Marxist and believe in the tenets of 'The Communist Manifesto'. Some people have no clue about economics and fall prey to emotional appeals and arguments.


12 posted on 11/21/2006 12:31:55 PM PST by KMAJ2 (Freedom not defended is freedom relinquished, liberty not fought for is liberty lost.)
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To: Vicomte13

Fair is a 4-letter word. It is the Government's job to ensure equal opportunity not equal results.


13 posted on 11/21/2006 12:33:07 PM PST by rhombus
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Oh, so he's a Marxist who thinks we need to redistribute income huh?? Hey Senator Elect Pervert, here's a hint: Let in 12 million illegal aliens and encourage rampant illegitimacy through our welfare policies and you're going to naturally create income disparities between those who play by the rules and those who don't. Don't blame the producers for that. Blame society's illegals, misfits and short-sighted.


14 posted on 11/21/2006 12:33:32 PM PST by MikeA (Where's the media to call the elections a "temper tantrum" by America like they did in 1994?)
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To: presidio9

Below was a posting that I wrote last week when responding to another Freeper.

The Northern Pacific States have Microsoft, Boeing and tourism. The same goes for California. Texas has energy, tourism and shipping. Nevada has gambling. Florida has tourism and great weather; Chicago, the epicenter of finance and marketing. The Eastern seaboard has shipping, fishing, government, tourism … etc.

What does the Midwest have? Good weather year round, hell no! Pretty girls skating down the boardwalk on a beautiful February afternoon, hell no! Movie industry jobs, nope! How about agriculture? That too has been erased.

The problem is that the Midwest made things, but because of globalization those skills are no longer needed. Hence the powers that be are trying to substitute with the insurance, medical and bio-tech fields. Those noble professions still are not providing the stimulus to grow the regions economy. So what does an underemployed populace do? They go to the ballot box and vote themselves a raise. I am in absolute disagreement of this, but it is in effect what is happening. Ohio, PA, IN, IL and New York will become more blue because of the afore mentioned.

Reagan figured this out and by him spending heavily on defense; a lot of those dollars were spent in the Midwest, which garnered him a win in 84. The rest as they say is history.

Remember, all politics are local and people vote their pocketbook.

The recovery that most this nation has experienced has not come to the Midwest and actually has come at the expense of this regions economy. Regretfully, the GOP has over estimated the Midwest Social Conservatives loyalty to the GOP. It may result in the Presidents impeachment, time will tell


15 posted on 11/21/2006 12:34:18 PM PST by mr_hammer (Pro-life, Pro-gun, Pro-military, Pro-borders, Limited Govn't will win in 08!)
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"Class lines? Mr. Webb is a man who has railed against the "collectivist taming" of American culture by Marxists and has served in the Reagan administration. So why is he talking like Eugene Debs?"

Typical "Nation" writer. Can't imagine someone caring about the issue not being a Marxist.

But that strategy will work only if the Democrats can enforce real party discipline and prevent socially conservative Dems from defecting on key issues such as... immigration.

Ol' Karl Rove will not be remembered for his biggest and most unlikely success...stampeding liberals to support "comprehensive" immigration reform by playing upon their feelings of superiority and need to hate conservatives.

16 posted on 11/21/2006 12:34:30 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Vicomte13
Politicially, the right thing to do is skew the tax structure and job security towards the middle.

Or better yet, get rid of income tax.

17 posted on 11/21/2006 12:36:31 PM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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For starters, by either not allowing products made by Chinese slave labor or Latin American child labor into the country AT ALL, or, alternatively, by an equalization tarriff which cancels out the advantage of using labor practices that are illegal in America. Currently, slaves, children, and people paid bare subsistence produce products abroad which are allowed to be shipped by merchants directly into the USA to compete directly with products made by workers who are protected by laws against slavery and child labor.

Obviously the Americans cannot compete with practices like that, any more than a northern free labor cotton farmer was going to ever be able to compete with plantation slave-farmed cotton.

The answer is not to shrug our shoulders and say "Well, that's globalization". The answer iis to impose tarriffs that cancel out the advantages of child labor and slavery, so that the economic advantages to producers for using those methods is not allowed to create an undercutting market price in the USA.

These are not the same things as punitive tarriffs. The purpose is not to keep out foreign goods and protect domestic manufacturers. Rather, the purpose is to equalize the playing field so that countries with disgraceful human rights practices in their labor markets do not derive a competitive ADVANTAGE from those practices when they sell their goods in the US market.

As a practical matter, it means spending $5 for a pair of socks instead of $2.


18 posted on 11/21/2006 12:36:52 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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>>"blood-and-soil conservative"<<

If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious. You can take the Democrat out of the socialism but you can't take the socialism out of the Democrat.

19 posted on 11/21/2006 12:36:56 PM PST by Muleteam1 (When one continues to argue with a fool, there are two fools.)
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To: L98Fiero

Because the truth is not that simple, that's why.


20 posted on 11/21/2006 12:37:23 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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