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To: TheKidster
this ruling against personal freedom and property rights

They had the personal freedom not to buy into an HOA property and they had the personal freedom not to voluntarily cede part of their property rights to the HOA.

They have zero grounds for complaining.

Who buys a home, the biggest investment of their lives, and doesn't read the fine print?

7 posted on 11/17/2006 10:50:01 AM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wideawake
Sounds like it may have been after-the-fact...

Colleen and Rodger Sauve, both smokers, filed a lawsuit in March after their condominium association amended its bylaws last December to prohibit smoking.

15 posted on 11/17/2006 10:52:34 AM PST by TheBigB (Do you think "Lady in the Water" is in Ted Kennedy's NetFlix queue?)
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To: wideawake

You have an excellent point. I specifically looked in neighborhoods with no sort of HOA or convenant when I bought my first house a number of years ago so that nobody could tell me what I can or can't (legally) do with my property.


22 posted on 11/17/2006 10:54:56 AM PST by TheKidster
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To: wideawake

If it wasn't in the rules when they bought into the HOA, they should have been grandfathered in because those were not the terms they agreed to when they moved in..

Methinks the Courts need to move to cut the teeth out of HOAs...


25 posted on 11/17/2006 10:55:41 AM PST by Schwaeky (Welcome to America--Now speak English or LEAVE!)
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To: wideawake
They had the personal freedom not to buy into an HOA property and they had the personal freedom not to voluntarily cede part of their property rights to the HOA.

Fair enough. However, it wouldn't have immediately occurred to many people that this particular property right had also been ceded - or that a court wouldn't overturn this rule.
29 posted on 11/17/2006 10:55:59 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: wideawake

Sometimes, for particular zealots, the very fact that someone somewhere is doing something of which you don't approve, reinforces perceptions of that act's impact on you. TRANSLATION? Morelike the 'affected' tenant's protestations are false - equivalent to the old people in Florida lying about the ' ooh so confusing' ballots, etc. Regardless, the affected tenants (the smokers) should sell their unit and move somewhere else that assholes don't live.


30 posted on 11/17/2006 10:55:59 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: wideawake

Of course you missed the part where the bylaws were amended last year, 5 years after they had purchased the town home.

Funny that you berate them for not reading the fine print, you didn't even bother to read the entire article with comprehension before spouting off.


43 posted on 11/17/2006 10:59:07 AM PST by dmz
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To: wideawake

Colleen and Rodger Sauve, both smokers, filed a lawsuit in March after their condominium association amended its bylaws last December to prohibit smoking.

Seems to me that when they purchased their property, smoking WAS NOT a problem: the operative word here being AMENDED.


122 posted on 11/17/2006 11:24:28 AM PST by Brother Harrison
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To: wideawake

This was an amendment to the by-laws that went into effect last December. Presumably this was after the couple bought their condo unit. If so, this is a change in the terms and conditions after the purchase.


135 posted on 11/17/2006 11:32:21 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: wideawake
Who buys a home, the biggest investment of their lives, and doesn't read the fine print?

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The rules were changed....who doesn't read the whole post?

157 posted on 11/17/2006 11:48:03 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: wideawake

First you can't decide to be a part of the HOA. If you buy a property covered by an HOA you are a member and must abide by the rules. Secondly, if I am reading the article correctly, the HOA changed the rules after they moved in. I think they have a very strong case for appeal on the last point.


176 posted on 11/17/2006 12:02:04 PM PST by redangus
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To: wideawake
They had the personal freedom not to buy into an HOA property and they had the personal freedom not to voluntarily cede part of their property rights to the HOA.

They have zero grounds for complaining.

You argument applies to anyone buying into an HOA property, not just the smokers that bought in.

247 posted on 11/17/2006 1:51:08 PM PST by vamoose
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To: wideawake

Did you read the article? The HOA articles were amended after they moved in.


313 posted on 11/17/2006 3:49:51 PM PST by jammer
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To: wideawake

Two points:

The article states the condo HOA AMMENDED their regulations, in include smoking WITHIN the units. These owners never signed up for that.

Secondly, ALL condominiums, townhouses and almost all new suburban homes now have home owner associations. Many times too, these organizations (as in this case) act as little dictators....

I would continue to fight this--how any organization can tell you you cannot do a legal act inside the walls of your own home is beyond me.

I would smoke in the house anyway...and make them get a warrent to search the place (unlikely) to prove it.


438 posted on 11/17/2006 6:06:35 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: wideawake
Just wait until it's the owner of a freestanding tract home...going to battle against a neighbor over this issue.

It's coming....if it's not already here.

524 posted on 11/18/2006 12:33:52 PM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: wideawake
They had the personal freedom not to buy into an HOA property and they had the personal freedom not to voluntarily cede part of their property rights to the HOA.

Sorry, but I believe privacy rights trump the decision of these bored, crypto-Nazi homeowners associations.

756 posted on 11/22/2006 10:42:23 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (Unite)
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